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Cold war hot jets
By: seriesewan Date: November 14, 2013, 3:09 am
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I got round to watching this last night...
its on Iplayer Well worth a gander
HTML http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03h8r3y
Tune in for fridays episode! V bomber tastic >rock<
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Re: Cold war hot jets
By: vidal130 Date: November 14, 2013, 9:44 am
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Great stuff!
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Re: Cold war hot jets
By: Matthew Date: November 14, 2013, 6:43 pm
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Watched it this evening. I could sit all day and watch all that
old airshow/advertorial archive footage with the Queen's English
narration - it just gives me a warm fuzzy glow and makes me wish
I had been alive to experience it all back then. Can't wait for
the next episode!
It was interesting to see them mention the lethal thrust
imbalance of the Meteor on one engine, but they omitted the fact
that it could be exploited by uber-pilots to perform an entirely
new and spectacular maneuver! Gloster's slightly nuts test pilot
Jan Zurakowski sat down and calculated that with a high enough
moment of yaw inertia, generated by loading the aircraft with
tip tanks and lots of rockets, it would be possible to make the
plane pinwheel sideways across the sky by pulling up vertically
and chopping one engine. (Without the extra inertia generated by
the wingtip loading, there wouldn't be enough momentum to
complete a full revolution).
Seen here at 2:10 in this video is some very rare footage of
said stunt:
HTML http://www.britishpathe.com/video/highlights-of-farnborough-1951/query/bombers
It's quite an incredible feat of skill, as the aircraft had to
be held perfectly perpendicular to the ground throughout the
stunt or it would fall into an inverted spin and crash. It's
said that within a month of the first performance of the
"Zurabatic Cartwheel" the RAF lost 20 Meteors to lesser pilots
attempting to copy it.....
On a related note, for anyone remotely into post war British
aircraft, or who found the prgram interesting in general, then I
cannot recommend this book highly enough:
HTML http://www.amazon.co.uk/Empire-Clouds-Britains-Aircraft-Ruled/dp/0571247954/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1384475991&sr=1-1&keywords=empire+of+the+clouds+hardback
A thoroughly gripping, insightful and well-written narrative on
how the world was our oyster in the golden dawn of the Jet
Age... and how the opportunities were sadly pissed up the wall.
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Re: Cold war hot jets
By: Dave Date: November 15, 2013, 2:52 am
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Cool British Pathe vid. :thumbs:
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Re: Cold war hot jets
By: Dave Date: November 29, 2013, 4:20 am
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Last Sunday I went to the RAF museum at Cosford. The most
interesting bits, IMHO, was the expeimental and prototype stuff.
I didn't make any notes so, apart from what I can remember,
perhaps someone can enlighten us?
TSR2
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Some kind of experimental high-speed jet. Made of stainless
steel, apparently.
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Some kind of forerunner to the EE Lightning, I think.
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Gloster Meteor with experimental cockpit, testing the use of
pilots lying prone.
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It didn't say why they were testing this. Something to do with G
forces, maybe? It obviously never took off (pardon the pun) cos
pilots still sit upright.
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At the other end of the scale was this 1900s rotary engine.
Apparently it had a 15-hour life before the piston rings needed
replacing!
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And the obligatgory Land Rover. Some sort of review vehicle?
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Re: Cold war hot jets
By: StuartN Date: November 29, 2013, 4:29 am
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Very nice,
Would love to go sometime.
S :thumbs:
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Re: Cold war hot jets
By: Matthew Date: December 2, 2013, 1:49 pm
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[quote author=Dave link=topic=7216.msg81182#msg81182
date=1385720401]
Last Sunday I went to the RAF museum at Cosford. The most
interesting bits, IMHO, was the expeimental and prototype stuff.
I didn't make any notes so, apart from what I can remember,
perhaps someone can enlighten us?
TSR2
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The all-singing, all dancing replacement for the V-force,
Canberras and multiple fighters all in one. Supposed to be able
to fly Mach 2, high level long range incursions yet be equally
adept at low level mud-moving and dogfights. It was to be packed
with the most advanced radar systems and EMW weaponry available,
as well as bombs and missiles. Oh, and it had to be
"survivable", IE operate in all weathers from a remote
post-ap[apocalyptic rough airfield and be weatherproof for up to
2 weeks.
Whilst technically possible to achieve all of this, it was
unsurprisingly fucking expensive. S to much outcry from the (up
until then) world-leading UK aviation industry, the government
canned it after the first prototype had but a few flights and
the second one had yet to lift off. One was broken up, the other
survives in Cosford.
[quote author=Dave link=topic=7216.msg81182#msg81182
date=1385720401]
Some kind of experimental high-speed jet. Made of stainless
steel, apparently.
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The Bristol type 188, aka the "flaming pencil" due to the
steeples of fire left by the afterburners. Built as a research
aircraft to investigate the evelope of flight up to Mach 2, to
pave the way for the somewhat ambitious Avro 730 (mach 3 recon
plane) project. The cones in the engine intakes were also
moveable, to investigate constant-pressure intake design that
would maintain an optimum engine intake flow whatever speed the
plane was flying at (later used on Concorde and Blackbird).
Despite the spectacular looks, it wasnt very successful - the
tiny wings meant tiny fuel tanks, and coupled with huge engines,
its endurance of about half an hour was nothing like what was
needed for serious sustained research.
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Re: Cold war hot jets
By: Landysid Date: December 4, 2013, 12:02 pm
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This was a very interesting series. I could watch them over and
over! 8)
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Re: Cold war hot jets
By: Peter de Dawg Date: December 4, 2013, 12:34 pm
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The pilot strapped in for a bumming posture is totally bonkers,
did they ever test fly it like that I wonder?
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Re: Cold war hot jets
By: divie Date: December 7, 2013, 4:36 pm
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Yes they did test fly the "Prone" position. Looks dammed
uncomfortable to me. Went to a 40s dance effort there a few week
ago, I dont do dancing but great to see the band under the wing
if a Cattalina. Some of the totty from all age groups in 40s
fashion gear really does it for me. Are we allowed to say that ?
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