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       #Post#: 72097--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tdi or leave it petrol
   DIR By: Joskin
       Date: August 25, 2013, 7:29 pm
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       5988 is on the money where the box is concerned.... kinda, the
       delivery of the power is very harsh with a tdi, aswell as the
       vibrations which transfer through the gears themselves cause
       them to chatter and wear much more quickly than the much
       smoother 4 cyl petrol
       If you drive with alot of mechanical sympathy I dont see any
       reason why a gearbox (which bear in mind is at least 30 yrs old
       allready) wouldn't last reasonably well, ultimately its your own
       right foot which governs how many horses or how much torque you
       transfer to the wheels. If you like to scoot up through the
       gears as quick as you can , you will go through gearboxes , and
       so you might want to think about lpg or another option? If you
       can restrain yourself and drive smoothly you can make them last,
       and of course you would also get mid to high 30's mpg.
       You could allways look at a 6, which are much smoother than a
       4.......  I'm not sure but I seem to remember Stiggy mentioning
       something about his engine being slightly different ? as I say
       I'm not sure because he doesn't like to talk about it
       ............ much  :thumbs:
       #Post#: 72102--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tdi or leave it petrol
   DIR By: puddlejumper
       Date: August 26, 2013, 2:22 am
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       Decisions, decisions. Can't really decide what to do :-\
       The issue is I have all the stuff to do it, also have disco
       axles converted to leaf springs and can fit 5 speed gearbox etc
       but then is it just another hybrid and a bit  :gay:
       Think I will leave it as close to original as possible for now,
       I can always do conversion later and fit it without the turbo (a
       la Glencoyne conversion)
       Thanks for thoughts and suggestions :smilewide: :smilewide:
       Doug
       #Post#: 72112--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tdi or leave it petrol
   DIR By: niteram
       Date: August 26, 2013, 6:04 am
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       --- Quote from: Joskin link ---
       >
       > they go like stink, return 30 plus mpg, and are ultra
       reliable.......
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I never got anywhere near 30mpg driving a tdi Disco, more like
       20! never been heavy right footed,
       but if I could get 30 from a tdi in my 109 I'd convert it
       tomorrow and drive it everywhere (my modern "daily" only does 30
       on a run if driven steadily)
       #Post#: 72115--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tdi or leave it petrol
   DIR By: inglishg
       Date: August 26, 2013, 7:19 am
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       Interesting responses!
       My S2a is also 2.25P and I yearn for better fuel economy -
       probably only getting 20mpg at best.
       I've done very little to help with improving the MPG - save for
       the oversize 235/85 tyres and FWH's. The LPG option sounds good,
       and of course I'd be interested in fitting an overdrive if I can
       get one at a sensible price. Also it appears fitting electronic
       ignition may help?
       I was impressed with the rag-top truck cab at LATP, which had
       the 300tdi conversion with auto box and disc brake conversion.
       That would do me fine, but is it still genuinely tax exempt?
       What sort of cost is involved in going down the LPG route?
       #Post#: 72117--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tdi or leave it petrol
   DIR By: Andyjb
       Date: August 26, 2013, 7:46 am
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       Inglisgh
       Not sure how much to convert to LPG but DIY kits can be picked
       up reasonably Misty was already fitted out with hers It looks
       simple enough to do But its getting the mix right thats
       difficult i think Bloke at the local garage were i get gas said
       two years ago that if you spent 25/30 pounds a week on petrol
       you would soon get back the cost of paying out for lpg fitted
       professionally Not sure what mpg i get never really filled up
       and took her on a long constant run
       #Post#: 72120--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tdi or leave it petrol
   DIR By: guest13
       Date: August 26, 2013, 7:58 am
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       About £500 to DIY fit a new LPG kit
       It's viability depends on local LPG cost vs petrol
       --- Quote from: Joskin link ---
       >
       > 5988 is on the money where the box is concerned.... kinda, the
       delivery of the power is very harsh with a tdi, aswell as the
       vibrations which transfer through the gears themselves cause
       them to chatter and wear much more quickly than the much
       smoother 4 cyl petrol
       >
       > If you drive with alot of mechanical sympathy I dont see any
       reason why a gearbox (which bear in mind is at least 30 yrs old
       allready) wouldn't last reasonably well, ultimately its your own
       right foot which governs how many horses or how much torque you
       transfer to the wheels. If you like to scoot up through the
       gears as quick as you
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Sure if will last if you drive like you have a 2.25 d under the
       bonnet, but why fit the TDi to do that
       Even using the same power/torque as a TDi the torque fluctuation
       of the TDi will wreck the box quicker - life of the components
       is directly linked to the fluctuation in stress (which is from
       the torque) and well as the basic load
       --- Quote from: niteram link ---
       >
       > [quote author=Joskin link=topic=6524.msg72059#msg72059
       date=1377446050]
       > they go like stink, return 30 plus mpg, and are ultra
       reliable.......
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       I never got anywhere near 30mpg driving a tdi Disco, more like
       20! never been heavy right footed,
       but if I could get 30 from a tdi in my 109 I'd convert it
       tomorrow and drive it everywhere (my modern "daily" only does 30
       on a run if driven steadily)
       [/quote]
       What do you do to your disco  :eek:  I can't think when in the
       last 300k we have ever had less than 30mpg from one, other than
       when towing
       --- Quote from: inglishg link ---
       >
       > Interesting responses!
       >
       > My S2a is also 2.25P and I yearn for better fuel economy -
       probably only getting 20mpg at best.
       >
       > I've done very little to help with improving the MPG - save
       for the oversize 235/85 tyres and FWH's. The LPG option sounds
       good, and of course I'd be interested in fitting an overdrive if
       I can get one at a sensible price. Also it appears fitting
       electronic ignition may help?
       >
       > I was impressed with the rag-top truck cab at LATP, which had
       the 300tdi conversion with auto box and disc brake conversion.
       That would do me fine, but is it still genuinely tax exempt?
       >
       > What sort of cost is involved in going down the LPG route?
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Can't see any reason that wouldn't legally be tax free - have
       you really go a series after all that though
       #Post#: 72121--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tdi or leave it petrol
   DIR By: estwdjhn
       Date: August 26, 2013, 8:49 am
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       As far as I can see, the major reason to fit a tdi is the
       combination of power and economy.
       Yes, a 2.25D will do fairly close in MPG terms.
       Yes, a 8V has more go.
       There is however no other sane option I can think of to get
       110bhp and 30mph into a series landrover's engine bay at the
       same time.
       LT77 conversion to go with it is pretty easy, and I gave all of
       £100 for the LT77 that went in mine. You then don't blow up
       gearboxes.
       LPG is out of the question for me (reasonably local suppliers
       non-existant, nearest "in range" (15 miles away) is currently
       85.9p/l which doesn't make it competitive against a Tdi no
       matter what petrol engine you use).
       It's worth remembering too that Tdi's will run on Veg oil
       (£1/l).
       Thus in running cost terms:
       Tdi on veg oil at 35mpg (what you should get from an empty 88"
       driven gently")  - 12.9p/mile
       Good 2.25 on LPG@70p - 14.5p/mile
       Tdi on veg oil at 28mpg (about what I get with a lead lined
       right boot in a laden 109")  - 16.2p/mile
       Tdi on DERV at 35mpg (what you should get from an empty 88"
       driven gently")  - 19.2p/mile
       Tired 2.25 on LPG@70p - 19.9p/mile
       Tdi on DERV at 28mpg (about what I get with a lead lined right
       boot in a laden 109")  - 22.7p/mile
       Good 2.25 on petrol - 27.9p/mile
       Tired 2.25 on petrol - 38.3p/mile
       As for is it really a series - of course it is. It's the springs
       that count you know ;-)
       #Post#: 72130--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tdi or leave it petrol
   DIR By: puddlejumper
       Date: August 26, 2013, 11:06 am
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       What is the lt77 conversion? Is this where you end up with
       permanent 4WD?
       The galv chassis I have acquired comes with parabolics, 200tdi,
       gearbox and a shit load of other bits (not to mention the disco
       axles converted to leaf springs)
       Is the lt77 an easy fit or will I have to chop the chassis about
       to fit it
       Also to throw into the mix I have just acquired a 2.5 petrol
       from a defender, don't have to use it though but nice to have a
       spare ;D
       Anyone near Durham that has done one & could let me have a
       looksy??? :smile1 :smile1
       #Post#: 72132--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tdi or leave it petrol
   DIR By: chally2
       Date: August 26, 2013, 11:37 am
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       Going LPG you have to think of the whopping great tank you have
       to stick somewhere.
       #Post#: 72133--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Tdi or leave it petrol
   DIR By: Albert Ross
       Date: August 26, 2013, 11:39 am
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       Been at Leafers all weekend. I got bored if hearing bloody TDI
       engines. Rattly jingly horrible noises, some half fitted, some
       done well. For me, a Series isn't about speed. A Series is about
       ability. I just returned from Leafers and my heavily laden 109
       managed 40mph up Ackworth hill on the 638. Why does anyone need
       more power. By far the two best noises of the weekend were
       Calum's 6 and Drew's 88 2¼ petrol.
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