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#Post#: 59346--------------------------------------------------
Re: bomb-proof
DIR By: Doug_T
Date: April 30, 2013, 8:06 am
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As far as dune driving goes, no I haven't used a 2.5NA. However
I have got far more powerful vehicles into trouble, and far less
capable vehicles have also got me through (like a Ford Crown
Victoria a couple of hundred km into the sands outside Riyadh!)
If I was travelling somewhere where I knew dunes were a
possibility, but I also knew they could be easily negotiated I
wouldn't worry too much about only having a 2.5 NA. However if I
wanted to go dune bashing, or knew that several hundred km of
dune fields needed negotiating it would not be my first choice.
We try and avoid dunes as much as possible at work (unless it is
with vibe trucks). They slow you down, make your fuel
consumption increase, make your engines get hot and eventually
you WILL get stuck and have to start digging - and that's not
fun in 52 degrees, even if you are getting paid to do it!
#Post#: 59365--------------------------------------------------
Re: bomb-proof
DIR By: Nonimouse
Date: April 30, 2013, 11:19 am
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The concept of a trailer works well - chuck the stuff in there
that you don't want to carry in the main vehicle
But picture all the negative points of towing a trailer on a
reasonable tarmac road - including pulling away at uphill
junctions, sleeping policemen, potholes etc
Then imagine what a potholed road is like - especially on a
sankey (even one with a machined nylon bush to eliminate hitch
movement)
Now reduce your power by upwards of 50% - that's the drag on a
non powered trailer in sand/snow/mud/deep gravel
Now imagine you have stuffed a hill climb and you have to
reverse back down but there are no nice tramlines or a smooth
surface so the trailer starts breaking all the rules of
reversing - so you have to uncouple and lower it down....
It's worth trying
As for Salisbury axles - unless badly driven or lacking
mainteneance you have to go it some to break a Salisbury half
shaft and Rule 4 of overlanding is 'Don't drive like a twat -
your vehicle is your life support pod'
#Post#: 59387--------------------------------------------------
Re: bomb-proof
DIR By: Lucy
Date: April 30, 2013, 1:05 pm
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Best idea, sell the 109 and buy a 101, proved to be great
overland truck :-)
#Post#: 59394--------------------------------------------------
Re: bomb-proof
DIR By: Nonimouse
Date: April 30, 2013, 1:58 pm
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In all seriousness it's an interesting point...
One of the best overland trucks out there is the Volvo C303 -
with the TGB13 being the Daddy. Oddly enough not used that much
by the overland fraternity...
A 101 is a less manly C303, made a bit more manly by it having a
rather nice engine
Compare the 109 oil burner to the 101
Both are relatively simple
Spares are easier to come by for the 109
The 101 will be cheaper on fuel in far flung places (although
the USSR's proclivity towards caustic petrol can be a bugger)
The 101 carries more and has more load room
The 109 is a damned site more pleasant to drive on and off road
The 109 is a damned site more capable off road (unless you lose
the sodding great ARB on the front of the 101, which then makes
corners an exciting thing)
The 109 is a the winner on the Carnet Stakes
The 101 is easier to convert into 4* living accomodation
The V8 will run on 4 cylinders
The NAD will run on Russian Diesel (as will a 200Tdi) with no
noticeable effects, so will therefore run on the worst of fuels
The 101 is without doubt cooler to be seen in, although it is
hotter to drive
I would still go for the 109
#Post#: 59424--------------------------------------------------
Re: bomb-proof
DIR By: Lucy
Date: April 30, 2013, 3:58 pm
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I'd disagree about the 109 being nicer to drive. I far prefer
the 101 as a long distance drive than any series truck.
(excepting it's fuel consumption, though having said that it's
no worse than a 6 pot 109, but quicker and more roomy)
It's a lot more refined and quieter than my diesel 88"
I'd dispute the capability too. You just have to know how to
drive one, a detroit in the back helps too 8)
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#Post#: 59427--------------------------------------------------
Re: bomb-proof
DIR By: Gadget
Date: April 30, 2013, 4:15 pm
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There speaks the voice of experience and cross continental
travel :smilewide:
Nelly rocks >rock< >rcker<
#Post#: 59432--------------------------------------------------
Re: bomb-proof
DIR By: parksy64
Date: April 30, 2013, 4:23 pm
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Both of the 101s I've had have been great to drive. Good
position, visibility, power and awesome off road.
Never got them any further south than Morocco but would
recommend them over a 109 for overland IMHO :smilewide:
Would happily get the stereo really cranked up and keep going
until the 180 litres of LPG where empty switch to petrol and
keep going >rcker<
As Lucy says the only pain is in the wallet :rolleye0012:
Each to their own :thumbs:
#Post#: 59440--------------------------------------------------
Re: bomb-proof
DIR By: NoelC
Date: April 30, 2013, 5:07 pm
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Having owned a 101 I can safely say it knocks a 109 into a
cocked hat in the offroad stakes. I drove through and over shit
in the 101 that my 109s wouldn't stand a chance with. Lucy is
spot on, it is a different drive to a bonneted control but once
you get used to it no drama. If money were no object I'd
commission someone to build me a Cummins 4BT powered 101 and
drive overland to somewhere a bloody long way from here.
:thumbs:
#Post#: 59463--------------------------------------------------
Re: bomb-proof
DIR By: Nonimouse
Date: May 1, 2013, 6:06 am
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Don't you love it when people get protective over their vehicle
choice - I'm not knocking either people or choice
However Reason 1 not to take a 101 - it's not expendable. Never
overland in a vehicle that you don't want to lose... A 109 is
relatively cheap and easy to replace - I will always regret
selling my 101 and it wasn't even a good example; I hate to
thing how I would feel at leaving a 101 and just walking away -
yet I've done that with both Hi-Lux and 110 (luckily without
carnet issues to bite my rotund arse)
Reason not to put a cummins in a 101 - why bother! Petrol is
cheap in Africa and so many other interesting places, in fact
often very cheap and a V8 is just about right in a 101, so why
bother with a conversion and all it's associated issues...
A 101 is not and never will be as good off road as a 101; it was
never meant to be and always requires a fair bit of fettling to
make it better. Even with a Para gun crew to weigh it down a
101 doesnt, in standard form do what the 109 does. Try it back
to back and see - until you have though, you are entitled to be
defensive of your motor. On road though that 101 driving
position is nice although I find that I get knee issues after a
couple of hours unless seatage has been shuffled around
It's relatively simple to modify the 101 to be better off road,
but simple still (and cheaper) to do the same to a 109...
The thing is overlanding isn't about off roading - it's about on
roading, but on roads that are often so shite as to be dubious
as to their function. Playing in the desert is all well and fun
but unless you are on the edge of the empty quarter, you don't
play!
Mind you folk are more than entitled to their own opinions and
the only way to learn is by repeated experience, good or bad.
Like Arjan, I've been doing this for so many years now I sort of
let people have their own way as much as possible with a few
nudges just to keep them safe. That way the trip does the
teaching. The worse thing would be to TELL people what they
wanted...
#Post#: 59468--------------------------------------------------
Re: bomb-proof
DIR By: Lucy
Date: May 1, 2013, 7:17 am
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--- Quote from: Nonimouse link ---
>
> Don't you love it when people get protective over their
vehicle choice - I'm not knocking either people or choice (yep,
always happens, though I also have an 88 and used to have a
109.)
>
> However Reason 1 not to take a 101 - it's not expendable.
Never overland in a vehicle that you don't want to lose... A
109 is relatively cheap and easy to replace - I will always
regret selling my 101 and it wasn't even a good example; I hate
to thing how I would feel at leaving a 101 and just walking away
- yet I've done that with both Hi-Lux and "Vehicle of inferior
length" (luckily without carnet issues to bite my rotund arse)
Ouch! would be painful any way. We considered leaving it in ZA
but it was cheeper to ship it back to the uk than pay off the
carnet, and it meant we got to use it on subsequent trips.
>
> Reason not to put a cummins in a 101 - why bother! Petrol is
cheap in Africa and so many other interesting places, in fact
often very cheap and a V8 is just about right in a 101, so why
bother with a conversion and all it's associated issues...
(only reason I can see is range. well that and that diesel is
less expolsive therefore safer to transport than petrol. when
we were in Egypt petrol was 10p/l)
>
> A 101 is not and never will be as good off road as a 101; it
was never meant to be and always requires a fair bit of fettling
to make it better. Even with a Para gun crew to weigh it down a
101 doesnt, in standard form do what the 109 does. Try it back
to back and see - until you have though, you are entitled to be
defensive of your motor. (Have a search around for videos of
EOD 2009, and witness the 101 getting through where all but a
couple of tricked up 88s failed. Made a better noise doing it
too :) )
> On road though that 101 driving position is nice although I
find that I get knee issues after a couple of hours unless
seatage has been shuffled around (we swapped out the standard
seats and I guess I'm about the right size for it, did a number
of 10 hour days driving, making a pityful amount of progress)
> It's relatively simple to modify the 101 to be better off
road, but simple still (and cheaper) to do the same to a 109...
(can't argue with that!)
>
> The thing is overlanding isn't about off roading - it's about
on roading, but on roads that are often so shite as to be
dubious as to their function. Playing in the desert is all well
and fun but unless you are on the edge of the empty quarter, you
don't play! (Very true. when you're driving your house about
the place, you take care of it!)
>
> Mind you folk are more than entitled to their own opinions and
the only way to learn is by repeated experience, good or bad.
Like Arjan, I've been doing this for so many years now I sort of
let people have their own way as much as possible with a few
nudges just to keep them safe. That way the trip does the
teaching. The worse thing would be to TELL people what they
wanted... (know that feeling. You can't explain just what
overland travel puts a vehicle through. Try explaining what
corrugations are like to someone who's never experienced the joy
of them for day after day!)
>
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