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       #Post#: 49335--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Best winter tyres??
   DIR By: NoelC
       Date: January 22, 2013, 12:07 pm
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       ^^^ exactly what Jim says, if you look at the Michey tyre guide
       the XPC is shown as top fitment for snow (and tarmac). Can't say
       the 88 struggles at all with the big 255/85R16 BFG MTs on it but
       that's not to say the XPCs wouldn't be superior.
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       On the subject of Avons when I purchased a brand new Gaybender
       110 back in 2000 it had Avon Rangemasters fitted from new. I had
       vibration issues and took it to a mate's tyre place and he tried
       everything to get them to balance including a plate balance. No
       chance. The new Mich XCLs I had on the original '66 rims on FMW
       balanced first time. His guv reckoned Avon carcasses were
       absolute shite. I've never gone near them since. It doesn't help
       that the Rangemaster is pretty much crap on road and off it,
       dreadful tyre IMHO.
       #Post#: 49342--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Best winter tyres??
   DIR By: BEY C
       Date: January 22, 2013, 12:43 pm
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       Now they might suit my Dormi purposes Jim, how much do the
       7.50's retail at?... I have a set of these on one of the 88" in
       summer and like them on tarmac, never used them off-road though
       as I switched to MT's in winter...
       #Post#: 49374--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Best winter tyres??
   DIR By: pete
       Date: January 22, 2013, 3:23 pm
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       I ussed Pirelli ATs in the past they were really good in snow,
       and to be honest just about everywhere else. Not the cheapest
       option, but excellent value .
       Now on BFGs good but the Pirellis werebetter on snow and ice.
       pete
       #Post#: 49385--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Best winter tyres??
   DIR By: Landyphil
       Date: January 22, 2013, 4:02 pm
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       Depends if you want to cut through or sit on top. 7.50's are
       great but if it's 4foot deep.
       Something very wide and a bit  :haha: though somes does the
       trick as I've seen landy's oop here that seem to ride on top of
       the drifts.
       #Post#: 49388--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Best winter tyres??
   DIR By: johnpirate
       Date: January 22, 2013, 4:12 pm
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       I,m running Kumho AT in dinky 205x16 size and they have been
       fine for me on the boingy one.
       #Post#: 49389--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Best winter tyres??
   DIR By: wezweld
       Date: January 22, 2013, 4:14 pm
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       last year pulled out boinggy disco 2 foot of snow . i run
       kingpin trecker diamond on my series 2a, remold and a good tyre
       corners not bad too
       #Post#: 49408--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Best winter tyres??
   DIR By: Albert Ross
       Date: January 22, 2013, 6:02 pm
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       Dan, they're standard fit to current boingies. You might be
       lucky and bag a full set of brand new "take offs" for around the
       £400 mark, on the rim.  Where I work doesn't get the discounts
       available to major outlets, so I buy my tyres elsewhere....
       These are cheap at the mo, and near Penistone.... one of use
       could collect and store for you if needed.
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       #Post#: 49411--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Best winter tyres??
   DIR By: GlenAnderson
       Date: January 22, 2013, 8:17 pm
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       I'm considering getting a set of Kumho KC11 winter tyres for my
       109" - I'll stick them on a set of tubeless Wolf rims and swap
       between them and the General Grabber TRs I've currently got
       fitted as the seasons change 'round.
       Dedicated winter rubber in 235/85 x 16 seems a little thin on
       the ground. My wife's 2WD Skoda Yeti on Falken Eurowinters is
       more stable and composed on icy roads than the 109" is in 4WD. I
       have to drive 16 miles down "A" roads whatever the weather to
       get to work, I'm not in the least bothered if they're poor
       off-road, it's icy on-road performance I'm after.
       My General Grabbers aren't as good in the cold/wet/snow as the
       Goodyear Wrangler AT/Rs they've replaced, but they were cheap.
       The best tyres I've had on the Landy for snow over the years
       were remoulded called Olympic Bandits. They were cheap too, but
       they did wear quickly. They haven't been available for years
       though, which is a shame.
       Chains are OK, I've used them extensively in Europe  in the past
       but they're really for snow covered roads only. They soon shag
       themselves on clear Tarmac, and I'm buggered if I'm going to
       take the damn things on and off two or three times each way to
       work and back in the early hours of the morning!
       It does surprise me that lots of 4WD owners dismiss winter
       rubber as unnecessary. Poor tyre choice off-roading has such an
       impact on vehicle ability, and nobody with any experience
       questions the sense of picking "horses for courses" as in M/Ts
       for heavy off-road stuff and A/Ts for mainly on-road; and that a
       degree of compromise must be struck because no one tyre can do
       everything. I accept that cost comes into the equation, and the
       price of four tyres at once can be hard to raise, but whilst
       your summer tyres are in the shed, they're not wearing out, and
       over the whole life of both sets of tyres the only real cost is
       the second set of rims...
       All IMHO of course.
       #Post#: 49434--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Best winter tyres??
   DIR By: BEY C
       Date: January 23, 2013, 4:31 am
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       --- Quote from: Albert Ross link ---
       >
       > Dan, they're standard fit to current boingies. You might be
       lucky and bag a full set of brand new "take offs" for around the
       £400 mark, on the rim.  Where I work doesn't get the discounts
       available to major outlets, so I buy my tyres elsewhere....
       > These are cheap at the mo, and near Penistone.... one of use
       could collect and store for you if needed.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Cheers Jim, I have them on watch, a good friend works at the LR
       dealer in Carlisle, I asked him to keep an eye out for
       take-off's a while ago, but nothing as yet.... Mainly as
       defenders generally  still get sold to Farmers in these  parts
       and they don't take-off  :haha:
       #Post#: 49470--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Best winter tyres??
   DIR By: AlexB
       Date: January 23, 2013, 12:58 pm
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       It you had an 88, then SLTs were and are the best in my opinion.
       Carlsen won lots of world rally races using dead narrow tyres.
       They work for me
       the dormobile is shod with xzy and I couldn't get it off my
       drive . great for road though and hardly wear out
       so swb - SLTs
       lwb - chains (ish)
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