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Tacr 1
By: drumlisden Date: December 30, 2012, 12:22 pm
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Collected this beast on Friday.
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My intention was to take some parts off it and weigh the rest
in.
I knew nothing about tacr 1 land rovers and had a look at this
link.
HTML http://www.tacr-1.co.uk/
This one has chassis number 23100014G and is on the register as
whereabouts unknown. It had mil reg number 28 AG 12 and been
allocated to RAF Shawbury so I spent an hour googling hoping to
find a picture with a tacr 1 in the background. No luck finding
anything but I emailed my brother about it and a wee while later
he sent me this-
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It goes against the grain to scrap one of only 22 series 2a tacr
1 built. According to the register one is already known as
scrapped and no doubt some others will be too.
This leaves me with a decision to make on how best to save this
one. The chassis is rotten to the point I'm amazed it hasn't
collapsed in the middle so it needs a new 1 ton chassis. The
bulkhead isn't too bad. There is no rear bodywork or pump left
and has been given an interesting tray back conversion at some
point.
(The wife calls it Mater - if you've seen the film Cars you'll
know why)
The tray back has a tipper ram but I haven't had a chance since
getting it home to see how it worked. There seems to be a
cylindrical oil tank underneath - could the pump be incorporated
into this tank? There's also a hiab which seems to have a manual
pump if that's possible.
One option is to build it onto a second hand standard 109
chassis as a tray back. That would at least preserve what's left
of the tacr bodywork. It has no v5 but had been registered on a
Q plate.
A new galvanised 1 ton chassis and sourcing or fabricating the
original back end is another possibility but that's beyond my
current finances and skills.
Or I could pass it on to someone else to restore. I'd rather
keep it though. :-?
Last week I'd never heard of tacr land rovers. Now I have a mild
obsession!
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Re: Tacr 1
By: parksy64 Date: December 30, 2012, 12:24 pm
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Awesome buy :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
:thumbs:
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Re: Tacr 1
By: mistericeman Date: December 30, 2012, 12:29 pm
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That IMHO Deff deserves to be saved ...I believe that 1 ton
chassis are plentiful in Poland for almost peanuts (Not really
BUT it keeps an in joke going ;-))
IF it hadn't been the wrong side of Hadrians efforts I would
have been struggling not to punch the buy button ...
Repairificated and Tdi'd with a utilitarian tipper back ...I'd
have been playing spot the baulk of burnable timber out of the
roof hatch before dragging it aboard for processing in short
order .
Uber cool +10 Kudos points :smilewide:
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Re: Tacr 1
By: guest13 Date: December 30, 2012, 12:57 pm
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[quote author=drumlisden link=topic=4208.msg46461#msg46461
date=1356891749]
One option is to build it onto a second hand standard 109
chassis as a tray back. That would at least preserve what's left
of the tacr bodywork. It has no v5 but had been registered on a
Q plate.
[/quote]
Option 1 - might as well srap it. You have so little of the
vehicle left, and have built yourself a ringer. You would have a
second hand 109, with the TACR's identity. Thats not ssaving any
of it, just taking a frew parts and scrapping it - your original
plan. wagfinger
Option 2 - I think the best, the rear body is quite simple box
section steel and ally pannels - the gear to make it all work
though would be problematic
Does it still have the fire gear, if you have the pump, PTO's
etc they are the hard bits
on the subject of TACR's - must get on with mine when the stage
1 is done
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Re: Tacr 1
By: brianthesnail96 Date: December 30, 2012, 1:20 pm
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If you could get your mits on a NOS ex- MOD chassis that'd get
you closer to the right spec (or possibly even the right spec,
as I'm not entirely sure what is under these). A 1-ton chassis
would have the wrong engine mounts and whatnot. Even if it's a
S3 one that's better than just sticking a few parts on a random
second hand 109" chassis. If you went to Land Rover and asked
for a 109" chassis back when they sold such things you'd get a
mil spec S3 one anyway.
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Re: Tacr 1
By: drumlisden Date: December 30, 2012, 1:29 pm
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[quote author=5988 link=topic=4208.msg46471#msg46471
date=1356893870]
[quote author=drumlisden link=topic=4208.msg46461#msg46461
date=1356891749]
One option is to build it onto a second hand standard 109
chassis as a tray back. That would at least preserve what's left
of the tacr bodywork. It has no v5 but had been registered on a
Q plate.
[/quote]
Option 1 - might as well srap it. You have so little of the
vehicle left, and have built yourself a ringer. You would have a
second hand 109, with the TACR's identity. Thats not ssaving any
of it, just taking a frew parts and scrapping it - your original
plan. wagfinger
Option 2 - I think the best, the rear body is quite simple box
section steel and ally pannels - the gear to make it all work
though would be problematic
Does it still have the fire gear, if you have the pump, PTO's
etc they are the hard bits
on the subject of TACR's - must get on with mine when the stage
1 is done
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There is no fire gear but the rear pto is still there. From the
cab rear wards is a tray back.
What ID does it have currently? Serious question. It has no
paperwork and was last registered on a Q plate. If I applied for
a v5 would it make reference to the tacr origins? If I built it
onto a new galv chassis what would it's ID be?
My option 1 assumed taking the reg of the secondhand chassis. I
have no intention of making a ringer. If it wore the original
bulkhead, body panels, cab etc then all those tacr parts would
be preserved.
I have no idea how military vehicle registration works so any
input gratefully received.
Could I apply for the paperwork that preserves the original ID.
How much of the chassis do I have to keep?
[quote author=brianthesnail96 link=topic=4208.msg46476#msg46476
date=1356895248]
If you could get your mits on a NOS ex- MOD chassis that'd get
you closer to the right spec (or possibly even the right spec,
as I'm not entirely sure what is under these). A 1-ton chassis
would have the wrong engine mounts and whatnot. Even if it's a
S3 one that's better than just sticking a few parts on a random
second hand 109" chassis. If you went to Land Rover and asked
for a 109" chassis back when they sold such things you'd get a
mil spec S3 one anyway.
[/quote]
As far as I know they were built on one ton chassis. I did think
about contacting some old airfields to see what lurking in their
sheds. Maybe get some of the water pump,ladders, search light
etc
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Re: Tacr 1
By: brianthesnail96 Date: December 30, 2012, 1:42 pm
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1- ton chassis is 6- pot engine and gearbox mounts. Might well
be the TACR chassis is unique, being a cross between the 1-ton
chassis and a 4- pot military one. Mind you a military chassis
is basically a 4- pot 1-ton chassis anyway...
Do TACRs have a civvy or military rear crossmember- anyone?
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Re: Tacr 1
By: guest13 Date: December 30, 2012, 1:46 pm
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ID wise, the Q plate could be what it was given when released
from the MOD,
That was one way of doing it, sometimes they were geven what was
then the current plate
Later on DVLA started issuing age appropriate numbers (which is
how mine is registered, on a 75 plate), because it wasnt
registered by its first few ex-mod owers (lived on private
airfields) this was prtactice by then
If you get the Log book for the Q plate, it should identiify the
LR by its chassis number. No where will it say its a TACR, but
it will porbably be registered as a fire engine - so it would
(should unless someone has been naughty)
New chassis would keep its ID
If you Q is for the vehicle, that can be swapped for an age
related on these days - probably need an inspection to confirm
its identity (by Series 2 club)
New chassis wouldnt impact that, but more original parts the
better - that could be done before you started any work. Second
hand chassis is no go
theya rent quite a 1 Ton chassis, closer to a military combat
chassis (engine/box moounts different as 1 Ton is a 6 pot) - but
isnt either
If you did want to recreate mine is a pile of bits at the
moment, so can take pics etc (although mine is a S3, the back
end I think is the same)
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Re: Tacr 1
By: drumlisden Date: December 30, 2012, 1:59 pm
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Thanks 5988. I'll apply for the paperwork and see what happens.
I'll ask questions on s2c too.
I would love to see pics of your tacr 1 :thumbs:
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Re: Tacr 1
By: genem Date: December 30, 2012, 4:41 pm
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Ask on EMLRA as well ? As you say, it would be a shame to see
it scrapped, given so few were made. My understanding is that
if you have the chassis number you could apply for an age
related plate using a certificate from the Heritage Centre as
evidence of date of manufacture, the MOD reg no does not come
into the equation. If you put it on a like for like replacement
galv chassis then thats fine as far as DVLA/VOSA are concerned
and does not affect its "identity" - where a second hand chassis
is a no-no in their terms. Is the original contract plate still
on the bulkhead or seatbox ? - It'll have the chassis number and
details of the MOD contract including the MOD reg no.
I did a Cadet camp at RAF Shawbury in 1975 or 6. Probably walked
past your motor, we got a tour of the fire station as part of
the weeks activities !
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