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#Post#: 43042--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brake bleeding, tls and the rog method?
DIR By: smackitwithanammer
Date: November 21, 2012, 9:31 am
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But eezibleed or inner tube is far quicker and you can do it by
yourself.
#Post#: 43059--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brake bleeding, tls and the rog method?
DIR By: NoelC
Date: November 21, 2012, 2:15 pm
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I never had major problems bleeding series brakes until I
changed some wheel cylinders on the 109 a couple of years back.
The post will more than likely be on the old forum so for those
who don't remember it I can summarise by saying I was at the
point of torching the thing.
Anyway, back to the moral of the story. The Rog176 clamping
method does work very well, especially when used in combination
with an eezi-bleed. The method has been covered a number of
times but my favoured technique is to put all 4 corners on
stands, remove wheels and drums, clamp all 6 wheel cylinders at
the same time, beat the shit out of the brake pedal to break up
the large air bubbles, pressurise with the eezibleed and bleed
each corner, beating the brake pedal each time.
It's a good method as when bled you can tell if it's worked,
with all cylinders clamped there will be zero movement from the
brake pedal if you've got all of the air out. With other methods
you can never be 100% sure. It's also a very good opportunity to
dose all the braking components with TFR and jetwash them out.
What I wasn't prepared for is how blindingly good the pedal
feels afterwards, I jest not, after doing this I can say in
complete honesty I've never felt a series pedal so good.
Obviously this isn't the only method to bleed brakes however it
does work extremely well and does not need an assistant. And for
those that say there's no need, I've bled Landy brakes the
simple way for years etc etc etc that's exactly what I thought
until the 109 wouldn't play ball.
#Post#: 43061--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brake bleeding, tls and the rog method?
DIR By: ashcrroft752
Date: November 21, 2012, 2:33 pm
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Avoid cheap B&Q clamps, I broke some of mine during the stamping
the shit out of phase. :haha: Start again :wanker:
:smiley-furious:
#Post#: 43113--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brake bleeding, tls and the rog method?
DIR By: NUGGETT
Date: November 22, 2012, 11:17 am
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--- Quote from: NoelC link ---
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>
>
> Anyway, back to the moral of the story. The Rog176 clamping
method does work very well, especially when used in combination
with an eezi-bleed. The method has been covered a number of
times but my favoured technique is to put all 4 corners on
stands, remove wheels and drums, clamp all 6 wheel cylinders at
the same time, beat the shit out of the brake pedal to break up
the large air bubbles, pressurise with the eezibleed and bleed
each corner, beating the brake pedal each time.
>
>
>
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Noel, have you had any trouble gettting the rears to bleed when
clamped up? Since I first tried the method, subsequent rear
wheel cylinders don't want to bleed when fully clamped up???
Nuggs
#Post#: 43118--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brake bleeding, tls and the rog method?
DIR By: ashcrroft752
Date: November 22, 2012, 12:17 pm
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I've found that on the rears, sometimes it helps to slide the g
cramp one way or the other to move the seals away from the bleed
hole and or the brake pipe hole. If still no joy loosen off the
clamp little by little and slide the clamp around till it
bleeds.
#Post#: 43122--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brake bleeding, tls and the rog method?
DIR By: NUGGETT
Date: November 22, 2012, 12:28 pm
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I did that , but lost a bit of confidence in the stamping of the
brake pedal after I had to loosen the clamp . When clamped up,
trying to slide the clamp / brake piston n seals wasn't
happening at all.
#Post#: 43203--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brake bleeding, tls and the rog method?
DIR By: NoelC
Date: November 24, 2012, 4:11 am
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Nuggs, I have had a problem with some rears as you can cover the
bleed holes with the pistons/seals if you get them in the wrong
place. I think the best way to deal with this is pressure the
system with the eezibleed, open the bleed nipple then slacken
the clamp as suggested. Slide the pistons about until the fluid
flows, shut the bleed nipple, stamp on the pedal and go from
there. The 101 was an absolute pig with its rears. The TLS
fronts bled perfectly first go when clamped but I struggled with
the rears for hours, using all of the methods mentioned in this
thread as well as clamping and never got them solid. In the end
I gave up.
#Post#: 43896--------------------------------------------------
Re: Brake bleeding, tls and the rog method?
DIR By: jessejazza
Date: December 1, 2012, 2:46 pm
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--- Quote from: bob86 link ---
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> [quote author=Wooden link=topic=3873.msg42940#msg42940
date=1353404738]
> Out of interest, what is 'reverse bleeding' ?
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You use a syringe (i use a 200ml) and a bit of windscreen washer
pipe on the slave bleed nipple and push the air up through the
master and out. Its a bit of a faff emptying out the reservior
before each slave and making sure all the air is out of the
clear plastic tube but its the easiest way I've found bleeding
brakes on your tod.
HTML http://youtu.be/lBk00597EyE
From about 1min on
[/quote]
Thanks for replying for me (sorry i haven't been on here for a
week or so while we've had some building work done on the
house)... strangely enough that was the clip i was going to
post. Reverse bleeding is proper professional practice and on a
landy TLS setup the perfect method. Avoids pedal pumping and
going out to buy an eezibleed - i was given one 15 years ago and
never used it!
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