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#Post#: 37507--------------------------------------------------
Re: Purile and vacuous brakes - Worth it ?
DIR By: Doug_T
Date: September 18, 2012, 2:13 pm
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--- Quote from: mr.scruff link ---
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> I have driven a few disc braked ones through work and without
exception they have been superb. Just like a well set-up
boinger.
>
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I had a 1.7 tonne disc braked Series and a 1.8 tonne disc braked
boingy, they both stopped well from speed, but the series needed
a hell of a lot of pedal pressure compared to the boingy because
the servo was much smaller. Comparing the two, the boingy was
better by a fair way. The series wheels got a lot hotter when
used in anger because there just wasn't the airflow round the
brakes to cool them adequately due to them being tucked so far
inside. Looking from the front of the vehicle you could see the
boingy discs but not the series ones. I guess the disc equipped
Santanas got round this issue by having different wheels of the
spokey variety. The Heystee, with its special swivel housings,
should put the discs into the proper boingy position, and that
is the one I would choose.
#Post#: 37510--------------------------------------------------
Re: Purile and vacuous brakes - Worth it ?
DIR By: muckypup
Date: September 18, 2012, 2:20 pm
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--- Quote from: Doug_T link ---
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> [quote author=mr.scruff link=topic=3452.msg37490#msg37490
date=1347983598]
> I have driven a few disc braked ones through work and without
exception they have been superb. Just like a well set-up
boinger.
>
--- End Quote ---
I had a 1.7 tonne disc braked Series and a 1.8 tonne disc braked
boingy, they both stopped well from speed, but the series needed
a hell of a lot of pedal pressure compared to the boingy because
the servo was much smaller. Comparing the two, the boingy was
better by a fair way. The series wheels got a lot hotter when
used in anger because there just wasn't the airflow round the
brakes to cool them adequately due to them being tucked so far
inside. Looking from the front of the vehicle you could see the
boingy discs but not the series ones. I guess the disc equipped
Santanas got round this issue by having different wheels of the
spokey variety. The Heystee, with its special swivel housings,
should put the discs into the proper boingy position, and that
is the one I would choose.
[/quote]
Yeh, apparently I need a boingy one. See earlier comment.
:girly:
#Post#: 37511--------------------------------------------------
Re: Purile and vacuous brakes - Worth it ?
DIR By: mr.scruff
Date: September 18, 2012, 2:30 pm
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Yes now you mention it Doug at least one had a 90 pedal box in
it, I think STig has too :-?
#Post#: 37529--------------------------------------------------
Re: Purile and vacuous brakes - Worth it ?
DIR By: BenzR over
Date: September 18, 2012, 4:25 pm
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If your original drums aren't too badly work hardened with age,
you could try you're local machine shop to see if they'll true
them up?
Use an old hub, grab it on the inside where the bearing sits,
fit the outer bearing then stuff the tailstock up it, bolt the
drum to the hub back to front with the wheel nuts, this keeps
the drum nice and rigid for machining and stops them "ringing"
then have Saftek in Yorkshire re-line your shoes with some
decent material (about £10 per lining I think?)
Fit a :gay: pedal box for the extra leverage and bigger servo,
and hey presto, still shit brakes, but cheaper than a disc
conversion!
:gay: axles are a definite NO NO as far as I'm concerned, but
must admit, I'd fit discs on the front if I could afford them...
#Post#: 37531--------------------------------------------------
Re: Purile and vacuous brakes - Worth it ?
DIR By: Roveerman
Date: September 18, 2012, 4:40 pm
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I'm using the Zeus set up and the wheel issue is with the rim
hitting the caliper, this is solve by using wolf wheels or any
that have a "J" type profile as in 6.5j 16", this means the rim
on the inside of the wheel rim has a slightly shallow profile to
clear the brakes.
Fitting was fairly easy, the only thing I did was to shim the
discs using a dial gauge after the first run gave a pumping
feeling through the pedals.
Mines a swb with tdi but no servo and I've not had problems
stopping, but I am thinking of fitting one just to ease the
effort needed at the pedal
#Post#: 37539--------------------------------------------------
Re: Purile and vacuous brakes - Worth it ?
DIR By: fuckwit
Date: September 18, 2012, 5:32 pm
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DougT: maybe teaching gran here, but what often gets missed with
the Mk2 Heystee kit (with Santana (Fiat Ducato) calipers) is to
grind off a section of the caliper, which will catch wider rims.
PDF attached show you where to grind. Then as Heystee
recommends, in my experience you can fit anyhting.
Also, Heystee beefed up servo is a must in my book. With early
90 MC. Discs, with the standard MC & Servo, forget it, not
enough grunt. See attached pics & PDF manaul
O dear, discs now, is it? I must be a gayer...
BTW: 203s and 204s fit once ground, but foul without.
#Post#: 37541--------------------------------------------------
Re: Purile and vacuous brakes - Worth it ?
DIR By: fuckwit
Date: September 18, 2012, 6:38 pm
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How does fuckwit know this shit? the moron I had fit the Heystee
Santans kit couldn't read. When I got back this is what he'd
done to my rims, no real harm doen I suppose, not really any
weaker either, but it looks a 'kin mess and FFS, he charged me
an arm and leg for the time he took to do it too. I even thanked
him, until I read that manual later. That is the back of a 204.
Would fit without that mess. Not an issue with the kit, I only
have praise for it, but I think what happens is that some fit
the kit and it all fits, mine did, and later try other rims, and
it all goes a bit pear-shaped.
#Post#: 37545--------------------------------------------------
Re: Purile and vacuous brakes - Worth it ?
DIR By: estwdjhn
Date: September 19, 2012, 12:55 am
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Your not the only one having such puerile and vacuous thoughts -
although ironically I'm thinking about having them on Bitsa (on
std 11" brakes with mintex shoes etc and still rubbish IMHO) -
the brakes on the white truck (6 pot brakes) being truly
excellent (to the point where I don't dare touch them in case it
all goes wrong).
As far as I can see the Heystee kit is the way to go, and far
cheaper than you've quoted - their website quotes 689 euros
(£553 at todays exchange rate) for the basic kit (i.e. all the
bits you can't get elsewhere), the rest of the stuff should be
obtainable from a scrap disco's front axle (so probably cost no
more than £50). I assume you would fit new disks and pads but
being std LR ones they should be cheap enough.
HTML http://www.heystee-automotive.com/onlineshop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=59&osCsid=O9CWxQxaBbahC1Am90WF3CuZEGd
I think rather than fitting a 90 pedal box I would fit a remote
servo - mini ones seem reasonably cheap...
#Post#: 37546--------------------------------------------------
Re: Purile and vacuous brakes - Worth it ?
DIR By: johnpirate
Date: September 19, 2012, 3:50 am
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Only a thought but if this comes in wont it cause all sorts of
problems for brake mods.
HTML http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM%3A2012%3A0380%2851%29%3AFIN%3AEN%3APDF
#Post#: 37550--------------------------------------------------
Re: Purile and vacuous brakes - Worth it ?
DIR By: FenTiger
Date: September 19, 2012, 4:05 am
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Fairplay John. I have had another look, but there are a few
extra costs including postage to UK. The Heystee swivel housing
is bare and you would / should probably fit new bearings etc. So
extras required would be: Swivel seals, bearings, hubseals,
Calliper rebuild kit, new disks, new pads, swivel grease,
gaskets, lock washers....... Added to that is the extra work
involved in fitting it properly. The Zeus kit at £722 then
becomes a far more cost effective option, and is British made,
which appeals to the patriot in me.
As for wheels, I have a choice of 130 or Wolf rims to fit. So
should be covered for any eventuality.
As for machining my existing drums, they are pretty worn
already, so not really an option.
Thanks for the feedback chaps, much appreciated, plenty of food
for thought.....
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