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       #Post#: 33808--------------------------------------------------
       PTOs
   DIR By: Wooden
       Date: August 10, 2012, 12:25 pm
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       Probably a daft question; but am I correct in thinking that you
       can't use a bottom pto to drive a rear pto mechanical-drive
       because the bottom pto is not aligned to the holes through the
       cross-members?
       Therefore to use a rear pto mechanical-drive a rear pto is
       required from the transfer case (thus loosing the over drive).
       So if you had a pto winch and wanted a rear pto belt pulley, the
       winch would need to come off a bottom pto, and the rear pto
       mechanical-drive would have to come off the rear pto on the
       transfer case?
       :confused:
       #Post#: 33810--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PTOs
   DIR By: seriesewan
       Date: August 10, 2012, 2:02 pm
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       doesnt a bottom pto go into the same hole as the rear pto & just
       drop down to allow the shaft under?
       surely a better way would be to have the front winch driven off
       the crank pully & the rear belt drive off the pto?
       #Post#: 33812--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PTOs
   DIR By: Wooden
       Date: August 10, 2012, 3:01 pm
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       The bottom pto is slung under the transfer case, and is a
       different pto than the one from the back of the transfer case
       that an over drive would fit into, so the prop-shaft would, I
       guess, foul the cross member.
       I guess I just would like to know if you can run a rear
       belt-pulley driven from the transfer-case bottom-pto, and then
       have an over drive in place as well.
       #Post#: 33828--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PTOs
   DIR By: estwdjhn
       Date: August 10, 2012, 6:33 pm
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       Good luck with finding a bottom PTO...  I'd worry about that
       before trying to work out what to do with it once you've got it.
       There are drop PTO's out there, which take the drive from the
       normal (overdrive) take off point, but which put the output down
       under the gearbox. They are usually used to drive mechanical
       drum winches on the front of motors, and are far more common - I
       would think one on it's own is probably only worth about £100
       #Post#: 33833--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PTOs
   DIR By: TrueS2
       Date: August 10, 2012, 11:53 pm
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       quote from Wooden:
       I guess I just would like to know if you can run a rear
       belt-pulley driven from the transfer-case bottom-pto, and then
       have an over drive in place as well.
       Nope. The bottom transfer-box PTO is wellout of line with the
       rear PTO setup.
       The bottom PTO can be found in mechanical or hydraulic version.
       Both hav etheir output underneath the OD hole/PTO hole.
       I do have both in my SWB: a rear PTO running a PTO gearbox on th
       erear crossmember and a hydraulic bottom PTO (running nothing at
       present).
       If you want an OD AND a rear pulley you need to think of some
       other gears inside your Transfer box. I think Ashcroft offers a
       higher geared High-Range set for road use which still offers the
       same low - gears.
       regards
       TrueS2
       #Post#: 33838--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PTOs
   DIR By: Wooden
       Date: August 11, 2012, 2:24 am
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       --- Quote from: TrueS2 link ---
       >
       > Nope. The bottom transfer-box PTO is wellout of line with the
       rear PTO setup.
       >
       > The bottom PTO can be found in mechanical or hydraulic
       version. Both hav etheir output underneath the OD hole/PTO hole.
       >
       > I do have both in my SWB: a rear PTO running a PTO gearbox on
       th erear crossmember and a hydraulic bottom PTO (running nothing
       at present).
       >
       > If you want an OD AND a rear pulley you need to think of some
       other gears inside your Transfer box. I think Ashcroft offers a
       higher geared High-Range set for road use which still offers the
       same low - gears.
       >
       > regards
       > TrueS2
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Thanks TrueS2, that's confirmed what I suspected. I think it'll
       be easier to just have a rear pto pulley and no o/d, which is
       fine for me really. The Land Rover is a 2.25d which is probably
       not suited to the Ashcroft high ratio box.
       BPTOs are out there John, it wasn't that long ago that
       Blanchard's had some, and I know of two available at the moment.
       You just have to be prepared to pay through the nose for it.
       Thankfully, I won't need one.
       #Post#: 33844--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PTOs
   DIR By: steifbear
       Date: August 11, 2012, 4:41 am
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       A series drop box pto for a fairey drum winch has all the
       fixings minus the drive flange the same as the straight PTO. So
       if you take the front winch out of drive on the dog clutch you
       could use the PTO with a drive flange out of the back.
       Simples
       Pete Stevens-with-a-V
       #Post#: 33847--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PTOs
   DIR By: Lucy
       Date: August 11, 2012, 5:21 am
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       I think a few years ago, Simon (Maltelec) was looking at trying
       to modify an o/d so you could run a pto off the back of it. Not
       sure he got anywhere with it though.
       #Post#: 33908--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PTOs
   DIR By: Calum
       Date: August 12, 2012, 5:56 am
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       --- Quote from: Lucy link ---
       >
       > I think a few years ago, Simon (Maltelec) was looking at
       trying to modify an o/d so you could run a pto off the back of
       it. Not sure he got anywhere with it though.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       That actually reminds me that I one of my Overdrives has splines
       on the rear gear, so if you remove the rear cover you could make
       something to attach to those splines and link it up to a dog
       clutch or something. Only thing is, how on earth you get it
       around the crossmember as an overdrive doesn't leave much spare
       room to play with!
       #Post#: 33988--------------------------------------------------
       Re: PTOs
   DIR By: Wooden
       Date: August 13, 2012, 3:22 am
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       --- Quote from: steifbear link ---
       >
       > A series drop box pto for a fairey drum winch has all the
       fixings minus the drive flange the same as the straight PTO. So
       if you take the front winch out of drive on the dog clutch you
       could use the PTO with a drive flange out of the back.
       >
       > Simples
       >
       > Pete Stevens-with-a-V
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Good plan, that's the way forward I think. Ta muchly.
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