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New member Sydney Australia
By: traveldoc Date: May 22, 2020, 8:45 am
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Hello.
Just in the process of buying Nuovo Falcone “barn find”.
Actually it was under a house for ~20 years.
Looks like 71-72 model? Red frame, white mudguards with red
pinstripe.
Been in front end collision with mangled headlight and
speedometer. Missing fork leg tubes and tank. Wheel rims and
spokes badly corroded. Motor turns over with good compression.
Here in Aus will be very difficult to return to original. I’m
considering a special with alloy rims, stainless spokes and
whatever tank that will fit and look OK. The only genuine tank I
have seen for sale costs more than the bike!
Cheers, Steve
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Re: New member Sydney Australia
By: banquo Date: May 22, 2020, 3:22 pm
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G'day Mate, and welcome.
Not much traffic on here these days, although you'll find it's a
repository for some useful information, and links to downloads.
We have a Facebook group too.
Sounds like quite a challenge you have there.
If the frame's not bent, you should have some options, and
grafting the entire front end off something else is possible.
Someone just fitted a Laverda 750S front end on, but you can
probably find something a lot cheaper than that.
If it's only the stanchions you're missing though, they are
available. I saw some on eBay the other day.
Slso seen fork shrouds and headlamps shells, although prices are
off-putting, and you're maybe best going for a non-original
look.
Not clear if what you have is a Civile Model, or a repainted
Militare. The Civile came in red and white as standard - the
clues are a carburettor that faces slightly to the rear, with a
cylindrical filter (Military come out at 90° to the axis of the
bike, and have a tin box air filter), twin clocks on the Civile
(Military has a speedo in the aluminium binnacle over the top
yoke) and the Civile has a normal dual seat, whereas the Miitary
has a solo saddle, with a pad on the rear rack for pillion.
Good luck!
Standard rims are awful; I had mine restrung with stainless rims
and spokes, but alloy rims are often used.
You'll need to work at it to get a tank to fit; nothing bolts s
traight on, but the mounts are fairly simple.
The guy with the Laverda front end fitted used a V7 tank:
HTML https://advrider.com/f/threads/guzzi-nuovo-falcone.849445/page-235
It's worth signing up to AdvRider for that thread. Lots of
useful stuff, and a lot more traffic than here.
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Re: New member Sydney Australia
By: traveldoc Date: May 22, 2020, 5:44 pm
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Thanks for quick reply and specialist knowledge. And good on ya
for maintaining this site which I stumbled on yesterday while
following an obscure link for “falcone fuel tank”.
Looks like I fit the demographic for this interest group pretty
well. 63 years, approaching retirement with some loose change to
spend and plenty of time. Naturally inclined toward mechanical
engineering since childhood but somehow got sidetracked into
another career, so I compensate with motorcycles. ATM running
2009 Hayabusa turbo, DRZ 400E and Yamaha DT230.
First saw Nuovo Falcone as a schoolboy when a local lad in my
small isolated home town bought a brand new one as his first
bike. A very unusual choice when everyone else had XL250 Hondas
or RD Yamahas. That slow revving “giant Honda 90” engine has
stayed in my memory ever since. A trip to India and 3 weeks on
Enfield Bullet alerted me to the enjoyment of riding a big slow
500cc single.
The lower fork legs and shrouds, front wheel, tachometer and
front guard on my new bike look to have no impact damage at all
and I wonder if the bike might have gone under the back of a
table top truck or something like that. The frame looks rather
solid and I’m hoping is not distorted.
I’m thinking to rebuild OEM front end + new wheel with
alloy/stainless on original hub. Maybe a new fabricated
aluminium tank, custom seat, non original paint scheme. Historic
registration here in Aus very economical.
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Re: New member Sydney Australia
By: banquo Date: May 23, 2020, 3:42 am
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I'm amazed that you saw a brand new one as a schoolboy!
They were never imported here in the UK, and I saw my first one
when a work colleague bought an army surplus Militare back in
2001, and I decided it would be ideal as a 'back to
motorcycling'machine. One year later I had one, and another 18
later and I still have it. They can be quite addictive, although
they are far from perfect.
Schubert Moto (SMS) has purchased huge stocks of spare parts,
mainly miitary surplus, but a lot of the parts are
interchangeabe.
If you download the parts books from the links on here, that's a
good starting point.
SMS are here
HTML https://smotos.de/ersatzteile/#nuovo-falcone
and
eBay is your friend.
Parts aren't cheap.
The frames are quite solid, but a friend had one bend when he
t-boned a van that pulled out in front of him.
Would pay to check if you are able; key dimensions are in the
Italian workshop manual.
Oddly, there's a frame for sale on eBay, so even they come up.
There used to be an active group of NF owners in Australia and
NZ, many of them serious modifiers and tuners, but we lost a lot
of them when our old forum shut down without warning.
Anyway, best of luck with it; it can be done!
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Re: New member Sydney Australia
By: banquo Date: May 24, 2020, 9:01 am
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Here's the eBay listing for stanchions. Not cheap, but they
exist....
HTML https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TNK-stelo-forcella-cromato-34-7-X-547-Guzzi-Falcone-Nuovo-500-1971-1976/274339761793?hash=item3fdfec8e81:g:-OcAAOSwqiRemaxC[url][/url]
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Re: New member Sydney Australia
By: traveldoc Date: May 25, 2020, 12:31 am
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Thanks for that. Purchase price + shipping + Import duty (to
protect the massive Australian classic motorcycle parts
industry) + GST all adds up to a lot.
Might be easier to graft on a complete front end (with disc
brake?) and sell off the OEM parts that are still OK.
Not sure if it would still qualify for historic registration.
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Re: New member Sydney Australia
By: banquo Date: May 25, 2020, 5:02 am
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Yes; it's a nightmare getting parts over long distances; I found
a rare oil filter in the US (it's the same as an Aermacchi
Harley-Davidson) for a very cheap $15:00, but it was ging to be
60 bucks shipped, and I'd still have been hit with tax and
collections charges, making the whole thing impossible. When I
was working, I used to visit the States regularly, and had parts
shipped to a friend for collection when I was next over, but
these days are gone..
You're right, it would be more economical to fit something else
that you can buy locally.
As for historic registration, how would they know?
I would have throught if all the major bits (frame, engine,
transmission) were 'right' that would count, and with a bit of
luck you my be able to graft on a period front end; even though
the forks were shrouded, it's not uncommon to see people
exposing them.
There are a few owners down under, but the chances of fnding a
front end are pretty much zero...
Hope you get somewhere with it, especially as you have a
connection with the model...
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Re: New member Sydney Australia
By: traveldoc Date: May 29, 2020, 6:02 am
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Finally picked up the bike and had a proper look through loose
parts box.
Terrible looking surface corrosion on everything but mostly
superficial. Only the wheel rims and spokes too far gone. A
couple of chrome plated parts might need replating or powder
coating.
Looks like the original owner was contemplating restoration
himself: Brand new speedometer, tail light lens and steering
head bearings noted.
Remarkably the seat foam is good and steel base salvageable.
Vinyl cover has tears but all present to use as template for new
one
Wiring quite a mess due to front end smash followed by prolonged
neglect. There are a good number of previously overheated wires
relating to front and rear lights.
Missing parts so far: stancions, fork shrouds, threaded fork leg
caps, tank, speedo cable, front brake lever and cable, battery.
Broken beyond repair: tachometer, choke handlebar mount, left
side footpeg snapped off.
Sourced a leakproof tank from MG 1000SP for $100 Australian.
Couple of small dents that I can fix. Fits reasonably well onto
Falcone spine with room to braze some mounting brackets.
Excellent capacity.
Finally, my tool boxes were full of tools! Some have Moto Guzzi
emblems.🙂
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Re: New member Sydney Australia
By: banquo Date: May 29, 2020, 4:40 pm
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On the plus side, the wiring is simple enough; not many wires.
From your description, it's a Civile and not a Militare, as only
the Civile has a tachometer.
I've never seen the Civile wiring diagram, although it must be
out there somewhere.
You'll find the Militare one in the Resources Folder on Box.
Link in the links section IIRC.
Your fusebox will be under the seat, whereas ours are in the
headlamp.
Do you have the fork innards? There should be a pair of very
basic dampers that screw into the fork bottoms with a pair of
Allen screws.
Would be nice if you have some of the original toolkit. The
duble-ended ring spanner is common to many Guzzis - maybe 22 v
27mm but don't quote me.
Rusty rims and spokes are par for the course; terrible quality.
For tank mounts, strongly recommend you stick with the stock
mounting method, or something very similar. The stock brackets
each have a tube fixed to the bracket, and that takes a top hat
shaped rubber bush that completely isolates the tank from the
frame, so 4 bushes - 2 front; 2 back. My bushes had softened due
to fuel leaks, and the tank was vibrating on the frame for a
while, and split in 3 places. The SP tank should look good.
#Post#: 2796--------------------------------------------------
Re: New member Sydney Australia
By: traveldoc Date: May 30, 2020, 4:11 pm
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Definitely civile. Long seat, angled carb mount, pointy tool
boxes, fuse box under seat.
Stripped the front wheel and tested a spoke with rotary wire
brushing. Amazingly it came up almost like new. Could be
replated with zinc or nickel and re-used but I think I’ll source
some stainless replacements.
Having trouble locating suitable rims. Seems like 18 inch WM3
available in alloy or stainless in 40 hole but the only 36 hole
I can find are replacement chromed steel. Did find a set of
undrilled Akronts. Are these any good?
Gutsibits in UK advertising fork stancions as special order
along with fork bushings kit for two legs. You like?
Finally today I am missing one aluminium fork leg top nut, with
o-ring. Guessing it may have been destroyed by impact
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