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       #Post#: 1460--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Preparing for a Long Trip
   DIR By: banquo
       Date: July 4, 2016, 5:50 am
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       Yes, average speeds are often very surprising.
       Like most modern cars, mine has a trip computer, and I'm always
       amazed at how low the average speed is between filling the tank.
       Even if you're doing 120 kph, stops have a very dramatic effect
       on the average.
       I remember reading an excercpt from Nick Sanders on how he
       managed to do such long distances; the answer was that he didn't
       ride fast; he just stopped for the bare minimum of time.
       My comfortable speed on the Militare with the stock gearing is
       only 80 kph though.
       That's the speed it seems happiest.
       #Post#: 1466--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Preparing for a Long Trip
   DIR By: krisztian_andre
       Date: July 5, 2016, 11:46 am
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       Some guy had to go up near my place and transported my bike in
       his van for the price of fuel both ways so I'm happy with that.
       6l/100km seems a lot at 100km/h I'll post my experience when I
       get the papers for the bike.
       I'm going to set the carburettor then. The book sais set the
       idle to 1000rpm, then adjust the air-screw to max rpm. This
       seems too lean to me...
       #Post#: 1543--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Preparing for a Long Trip
   DIR By: cloggy
       Date: September 3, 2016, 12:56 pm
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       That's what you do on any old bike. Set the idle to optimum
       chuffing revs with the throttle adjuster, normally found on the
       carb. Then fiddle with the pilot air screw.If too lean or too
       rich the revs drop. If the revs go up you just reset the idle
       screw to lower the revs  and then fiddle with the pilot mixture
       screw again. Simples, as long as you have the correct pilot jet.
       I set them up so it doesn't spit back or hesitate if I quickly
       open the throttle.
       I have an old Classic Bike article in which two Germans, or
       were they Dutch, I can't remember? Pro mechanics anyway rebuilt
       a pair of singles and toured to the TT. The article stated that
       they cruised at 70mph. Quite fanciful I thought as the bike
       feels happier at 55 than 60 and has less acceleration than my
       old 18 had. It is also comparatively  gutless at low revs,
       possibly due to massive weight and a short stroke motor, but
       then my other main  roadbike is an M21 ....
       Subsequently I popped down to St Davids and then came back in
       part on dual carriageway. I was wandering along and wondered
       what the top speed was only to realise I'd been travelling at 70
       for at least an hour. It was smooth at that speed. Now I know
       that it's economical cruising speed is lower   but this is a
       motor that can relatively easily be made to produce a lot more
       power at higher revs without resorting to beefing up the bottom
       end or gearbox. Standard at 70 it's piston speed is will be  low
       as it is very high geared. I very much doubt one would do any
       harm to the motor but it's going to use fuel at a higher rate so
       you may not get there any faster. All I noticed was oil mist
       from the pitifully flimsy oil  feed line to the head: and for
       the last 30 miles cramp in my left leg...I did something like
       500k that day.
       #Post#: 1552--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Preparing for a Long Trip
   DIR By: huub
       Date: September 6, 2016, 6:31 am
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       i average 5 l/100 km on my NF.
       mine has a longer gearing , that helps a bit, it also has the
       legshields and the stock fairing ,
       so its about as aerodynamic as my shed.
       800 km/day is no problem, done that regularly.
       overheating might be a problem if you run it at "high" revs for
       a couple of hours ,
       i experienced a dropped exhaust valve twice, both times after
       spending a couple of hours on the highway.
       #Post#: 1563--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Preparing for a Long Trip
   DIR By: cloggy
       Date: September 7, 2016, 3:27 am
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       My manual has the words air screw and throttle adjuster
       transposed. The info is correct as long as you disregard the
       terms. Throttle adjuster is the higher adjuster screw on the
       carb.
       What happens when a valve drops? I'd expect it to lunch the
       piston and rod, but then the engine is so overbuilt and low
       compression there may be room for it to rattle on top of the
       piston. There are better valves available.
       #Post#: 1564--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Preparing for a Long Trip
   DIR By: huub
       Date: September 7, 2016, 4:08 am
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       this is the result of a dropped valve, basically the top of the
       piston gets smashed.
       after this the rod and bigend bearing were fine,
       the head was damaged but repairable.
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       i've had it happen twice, first time with all the original parts
       , the second time with upgraded valves ( 8mm stem ) and springs.
       next time i'll try a pair of kibblewhite valves, if i can find
       somebody in europe who sells kibblewhite blanks.
       i am not sure what causes the valve to snap ,
       probably be the valves expands so much it runs out of tappet
       clearance ,
       the valve hardly touches the seat and overheats.
       really hot NF engines tend to have pretty little compression.
       #Post#: 1565--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Preparing for a Long Trip
   DIR By: banquo
       Date: September 7, 2016, 6:57 am
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       Catastrophic failure I'm afraid; from previous posts on here,
       valve goes through piston.
       Whoops - huub beat me to it....  :-[
       #Post#: 1566--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Preparing for a Long Trip
   DIR By: cloggy
       Date: September 7, 2016, 10:13 am
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       Haven't run out of compression, only way that can happen is if
       the tappets set too tight. [short of seizing] The narrow stem
       valves must come in two parts too, and then spun together: never
       the less, think I'll stick to 60ish in future...
       #Post#: 1567--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Preparing for a Long Trip
   DIR By: nick949
       Date: September 7, 2016, 11:09 am
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       mine stays relatively cool even on extended trips at 100 kph. No
       overheating issues at all.
       #Post#: 1569--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Preparing for a Long Trip
   DIR By: cloggy
       Date: September 7, 2016, 12:17 pm
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       Yes mine runs cool too. Takes ages to warm up. I'm running
       Morris Vtwin oil.
       One kick and the oil presure light goes out. I'll use upper
       cylinder lead replacement lube in future just to be sure{r}. It
       failed MOT due to a lighting short so that's being sorted this
       week, maybe...
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