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AvA advice
By: Porci Date: November 5, 2013, 7:35 pm
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I would like to solicit some advice for building my character
with a focus on AvA.
My next incarnation is my last throwaway before my final so I
can aford to skew it that way. My current plan is to go single
stat(aid because of it being Stark) and using the spare points
to ratchet down the time(lvl 30 perk) on other event useful
skills like trade.
That is all I have decided so far. If you want to recommend
skills to work on, great. If you have other tweaks in mind, even
better! And if this turns into a full blown AvA tutorial
thread.....awesome:D
TIA, Porci(Ottyn Nobettr for the moment)
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Re: AvA advice
By: Agatenha Date: November 10, 2013, 1:01 pm
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Hi Porci!
That's an idea I've never had before: planing. So I dont think I
call help on it speacially because I've never been a Stark and
prefer Fight BUT I have experience on battle these two AvA so
far.
First you should know that my lvl is 300 so I've already used
lots of talent points, including on trade and intrigue.
So, if my mind doesnt tricks me, my goals using talent points
were sort of on this line:
1st - Fealty talent that gives % on attack and def (as mine is
Baratheon, 16% Fight att and def);
2nd - Fealty talent building asap;
3rd - Attack % on that same action from you fealty (Fight again
in my case, on Battle part);
4th - Attack % on a different action that you think will help on
first quests (in my case it was harass) until lvl 22;
5ht - Saving talent points from 23 to 30 when "speed % on
completing actions" open and use all them (to help uplvling);
6th - From 31 to 52 it depends on your game strategy, you may
uplvl barter to spam your friends or random players and GAIN
LOTS OF SEALS (thats important right now), or use on fealty
talents to boost construction, or make other actiones faster. I
think i raised my fealty talents and harass too.
7th - Use those 8 talent point on lvl 60 talent that gives you %
on att. and def. on that action you are better.
Well this is an idea. I like that swindle talent that shows
after defending a swindle the real action ('cause at times it
appears like barter), this way i know if someone is helping or
harming me when i dont have a swindle defender. I have almost
all free talents, so I cannot remeber what was strategy, need or
point I didnt know what to do with.
Now, about AVA: for defense we usually use Common, Uncommon and
Rare SS because the risk of losing a legendary or peerless SS
may make us broken. So usually I garrison almost full % SS, wich
means if its a lvl 18 SS, he/she has abou 16% def and att. on
speciality action. Equip him with high % def and at times
balanced equipment, like Crystal Sword or similars (20 battle,
20 trade, 20 intrigue). When we are under a repeated attack I
may change the garrison for a defender on that repeated action.
In my opinion, the % thing helps a lot because camps add their
own stats to our defender, so the advantage is that commom SS
may have 1500 str defending a healthy camp. In the other hand,
SS def goes down dramatically when camp is damaged. So you
decide the way you prefer. But so far that was what I noticed.
Hope it helps! Anything else we can share, just tell!
:)
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Re: AvA advice
By: Porci Date: November 11, 2013, 11:58 am
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Thanks:)
I had recently decided that I was going to stock up on SS.
Normally for these build up incarnation I have been buying only
5 of them. 3 in my strength and one each for the others, all
rares.
This time I will be buying all the common and uncommon I can to
do attacks/trades in mass, riding the bonus from our camps. No
way will I be able to outfit them properly, especially as I will
be doing final reincarnation in 2 weeks anyhow. With this
strategy it makes sense to build most every building and
contribute with trades, using my internal silver for buildings
to support the SS. So, lots of trades to build camps, and lots
of various to stack up seals. This brings up an interesting
question tho...
does camp bonus apply towards skill % bonuses on SS?
If I have 100 battle on my character thru levels, items, and
buildings and I have a SS with 1 battle but 10% harass bonus
then he will have 100+1+100*10%=111 effective harass, correct?
but will that 300pts from camps add 300*10% for 30 more? if so
that 30 is better than the 20 I gave up to get the 10%(you do
loose flexibility tho, harass vs battle points). If it does,
then as far as AvA is concerned this is a very viable option.
This plan does not lend itself to defending tho. I will build
plenty of rares on my final(Greyjoy) tho so eventually I will be
able to help there.
I have also noticed the need for diversity of building, not just
those that help you on your focus. Getting those harder items to
build camps is really slowing us down in some cases. I will
build my Siege soonest, as that is a prime example of a
bottleneck.
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Re: AvA advice
By: Agatenha Date: November 11, 2013, 11:49 pm
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Well, my 3a.m-English lost some of the words you wrote but I can
understand what you said.
Its seems a good plan for me. You can spam on non-harming
actions and truely attack from our bigger camps. It will work.
Answering your main (and bold) question: yes, it adds % to you
attacking or defending SS, but only on that camp specialty
action. I mean, our Neck is Harass skilled so when you harass
from there (which means you are attacking other Alliance's Neck)
you will have that bonus.
I dont know if you have noticed but when attacking on AvA your
SS automatically appears with a higher strength than usual
(which you can see on adventures, ie) and after you click "Go!"
it is calculated again based on bonus. At times my SSs can even
double their str after I click Go. This is an effect of camp
boost if action is the same as camp specialty.
I hope I could write it clearly. If not, I wont be upset by
re-writing or asking others help. The point is that we can
comunicate.
Good luck! And tell us about your experience on that! :)
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Re: AvA advice
By: Porci Date: November 25, 2013, 4:21 pm
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Warning! this post predates The Great AvA Fiasco of Season 2.
advice may or may not be applicable now
ok, here is how that went. I built Stark this time but focused
on SS and stats across the board instead of all Battle.
Surprisingly, it worked pretty well, not just relative to AvA
but just as a leveling platform. Yes, my main skill was lower
from lack of focus, but AvA is VERY kind to your SS.
Particularly if you have solid camps to work from. I was
throwing freshly bought common SS in with limited gear and still
pulliing 95% success rate if not going against opposition SS.
Even opposed I had good odds. Pulling 120ish xp for an hour
commitment levels them fast. That meant not having my main skill
as high mattered less because I was sending better SS. Having
the generalist build also meant I was doing this in ANY attack
type I chose. I sent Battle SS to barter, Trade SS to
steal...whatever seemed useful at the time. I worked thru this
incarnation just as quickly and easily as I did my last
specialist build.
lessons learned:[list]
[li]Buy cheap at stay at full capacity. That is 2+1per5 levels I
believe. the 1200 for common means they are expendable if you
choose to garrison them and they will quickly pay for
themselves. I recommend you spend the first few days running
adventures to recoup the expense rather than tossing them
AvA[/li]
[li]Mid to late AvA cycle means big buffs from camps, so
reincarnate then to ride the wave.[/li]
[li]Concider using the biggest camp even if it is not dedicated
to the attack you will use. You get better xp and odds of drops
at bigger camps. If you are worried about loosing, attack
someone that has no camp/destroyed camp/ungarrisoned camp, you
will STILL get a shot at the drops and XP (but the silver will
suck generally) [/li]
[li]You earn no silver from AvA. All silver goes to the camp
used(or comes from if you loose). your personal risk is SS
injury and wasted time. If you need silver, do PvP or adventures
instead. [/li]
[li]You can not get milk from a dead cow. If you are trying to
fund a camp you may have to search out a victim that actually
has money in that camp. Barter will still work anywhere. And you
can fund them before stealing from them via
barter/swindle/bribe...if it pays them you can steal that silver
back. You can barter even with a nonexistent camp.[/li]
[li]Friendly attack types 'win' even when they lose. Aid will
heal their camp 1 rather than 2 for a real win for
instance.[/li]
[li]Healing your camp can only be done with YOUR silver. You can
not trade at a damaged camp that has full upgrade silver and
expect that silver you generate to be spent healing the camp.
Try to find someone out there and trade Aids or dig in you own
purse. This also means you should rarely spend your own silver
building up camps. Build camps with harass/trade/steal and put
your silver to healing or into yourself[/li]
[li]Failing at a damaging attack hurts the attacking camp too!
Attack will wreck your camp. Steals will loose you silver. Be
careful with those attacks(but they DO give the best victory
points and XP)[/li]
[li]If you accidentally attack an ally, or even a neutral make
sure you follow it up with a helpful 'attack' ASAP. The game can
be buggy, I have Attacked when I meant to Barter once or twice.
If you back it with Aids they will likely understand the
mistake, and unless you are tough or lucky you will probably
have lost the attack anyway(you attacked a good trading camp,
most likely with a merchant) so they end up better than they
started. Or they may not even notice the attack because you
scrolled it up the list,lol. Either way, it greatly reduces the
odds of making the clan a new enemy or loosing a friend.[/li]
[/list]
I will add more if I think of it. so here are a few AvA
experiences I feel are instructive to share
Barter against powerful friendly camp---barter always 'win', but
a bad win means poor xp and I presume worse silver.
'win' nets 2500 silver and 17 xp roughly, done at White Knife
level 10 iirc. I got owned, but a loss is a 'win' in trade, so
we got silver to show for it. I even got a shot at a drop.
Barter against a nonexistant camp of powerful friend---95%
success rate even with just a valerian dagger on my main and
unequipt Battle type SS. Yes, you have 1 point of opposition.
win nets 75 silver and 70 XP...yes, sliver even tho they have no
camp there. I assume they do not benefit in any way, but that is
good xp for a lame excuse for a trader, and a shot at a barter
loot. success rate still holds, the payout now is severely
nerfed. probably better to fail trading from a low level camp to
a high friendly camp than to win against a lower camp now
Pls feel free to comment or correct me, I will update with the
new/correct info to keep this easy to read.
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Re: AvA advice
By: marcellae Date: November 26, 2013, 7:52 am
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ok, so when i send my ss to for example harass, it is possible
to choose only an enemy camp?
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Re: AvA advice
By: Rohanne Storme Date: November 26, 2013, 12:41 pm
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Of course, you HAVE to choose an enemy camp if you harass ;)
You can find them either in the "Diplomacy" section (--> Enemy
alliances) or in the War Map (--> The North --> Diplomacy -->
Enemy). Hope that helps ;)
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Re: AvA advice
By: marcellae Date: November 26, 2013, 11:38 pm
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thanks..even not neutral? because there are only a few enemy
camps..
#Post#: 498--------------------------------------------------
Re: AvA advice
By: Rohanne Storme Date: November 27, 2013, 1:34 am
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In principle you could also choose a neutral one but the risk is
to start an unwanted war with a new Alliance, so you should
probably talk about that with an Officer.
However, you can perform all the harass actions that you want
against the very same Alliance without any problem ;)
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Re: AvA advice
By: Porci Date: November 27, 2013, 2:33 pm
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and you will get the bigest bonuses to harass at a camp of OURS
that is a harass camp, like Neck in the north. there is another
type of bonus that is based on the level of the camp. this is in
the form of better drop rates and better experience and victory
points. in the case of harass tho it is a no brainer, Neck is
currently both harass and highest level . let the spamming
begin!
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