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       Get cameras out of Senate hearings
       By: pattiurlvd Date: September 11, 2020, 1:29 pm
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       The Big Idea is a series that asks top lawmakers and figures to
       discuss their moonshot — what’s the one proposal, if politics
       and polls and even price tag were not an issue, they’d implement
       to change the country for the better?
       Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., is suggesting a bold proposal for how to
       calm the raging political atmosphere while making Washington run
       more efficiently in the process: remove cameras from Senate
       committee hearings.
       Hearings are ostensibly meant as fact-finding missions to
       advance legislative goals, but Sasse claims that in reality his
       colleagues have little to no interest in what witnesses have to
       say and use the time in front of the camera to push their own
       political agendas.
       Sasse noted that much of the work done by the Senate
       Intelligence Committee is done without cameras present, and
       there he sees Republicans and Democrats working together toward
       common goals instead of engaging in partisan bickering, which
       regularly takes place in televised hearings held by other
       committees.
       Those hearings regularly make headlines, such as when Justice
       Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz went before the
       Senate Judiciary Committee to discuss his bombshell report on
       the FBI’s use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
       (FISA) in the Russia investigation, as well as a number of
       contentious hearings on federal judicial nominations.
       Getting rid of the video feeds was just one Sasse’s proposals
       for sweeping Senate reform that he discussed in a recent Wall
       Street Journal op-ed. Others included limiting senators to just
       one term but extending it to 12 years, and repealing the 17th
       Amendment so that senators are chosen by state legislatures
       instead of elected by the people.
       Sasse discussed the camera issue in greater detail in written
       responses to questions from Fox News:
       Q: You proposed removing cameras from committee hearings. Some
       may believe that the ability to watch hearings gives the public
       a window to the legislative process. Why would removing this
       access be better in the long run?
       Sasse: The Senate can’t be the world’s greatest deliberative
       body if it doesn’t deliberate. The Senate is supposed to be
       devoted to thinking carefully about the country’s long-term
       future. Instead, we’re devoted to CNN soundbites and Twitter
       retweets. The average Senate committee hearing today is a
       theater competition; whoever puts on the best show wins. The
       incentive structure around the Senate is upside-down. Short-term
       posturing is rewarded, and long-term problem-solving is
       penalized.
       The House and Senate have different, and complementary, jobs.
       The House of Representatives is supposed to be loud and fast
       while the Senate is supposed to be deliberative and slow. We
       shouldn’t have just one or the other, we need both. Senators are
       supposed to be asking each other difficult questions, making and
       challenging each other’s arguments, and deliberating
       thoughtfully about issues of national importance. That’s
       impossible when everyone is playing to the cameras. We need to
       create conditions where substantive and candid conversations can
       take place.
       Let’s be clear, too: Eliminating cameras does not mean
       eliminating transparency. That’s a false choice. We can ensure
       the public’s right to real, radical transparency through readily
       available audio recordings and written transcripts.
       Q: The Senate Intelligence Committee, of which you are a member,
       holds many of its hearings behind closed doors. How is the
       nature of those hearings different from, say, the Senate
       Judiciary Committee, which is regularly on camera?
       Sasse: Behind the doors of the Senate Intelligence Committee,
       you won’t spot any of the usual posturing and performing.
       Senators talk frankly and forthrightly, and we find ourselves
       able to reach agreements on what challenges the country faces in
       this area. When we bring in experts, Senators ask actual
       questions of them and listen to their answers, instead of
       flogging them for the cameras or trying to outsmart them. It’s
       people talking to other people, and trying to work through
       problems together.
       By contrast, take a look at what a complete and total fiasco the
       Senate Judiciary’s Supreme Court nomination hearings have
       become. It’s just a matter of course now that every Supreme
       Court confirmation hearing is going to be an overblown,
       politicized circus. No one learns a thing about the nominee, and
       the Constitution is relegated to an afterthought. Senators just
       browbeat their opponents until the clock runs out, and the most
       enduring consequence by the end of it is that the whole nation
       is less informed and more angry.
       Curiously enough, one place you’ll find genuine, no-pretense
       discussion around Capitol Hill these days is the Senate Gym. The
       fact that honest, good-faith interactions drop away when
       Senators head to committee rooms or the Senate floor is a pretty
       good indicator of just how dysfunctional the institution has
       become.
       Q: High-profile hearings that touch on hot-button political
       issues often feature combative exchanges between senators and
       witnesses, or even between senators. Do you believe these
       moments help the public by allowing their elected officials to
       voice the concerns of their constituents, or do they worsen the
       increasingly heated and polarized nature of current political
       discourse?
       Sasse: The dirty little secret of so many headline-grabbing
       political moments these days is that they’re about as
       “authentic” as reality television. We need real debate, not
       staged lookalikes.
       First, let’s commit to real, radical transparency, through
       immediately available audio recordings and transcripts. No one
       should find themselves boxed out of the legislative process.
       Second, let’s return to having real debates on the Senate floor.
       One of the things that cameras have done is eliminated
       meaningful, in-person exchanges. When Senators go to the floor
       to speak today, they almost always do so to an empty room;
       they’re just speaking into the camera. How are we supposed to
       have a meaningful exchange of ideas, when the Senate is just one
       person alone in a room? Let’s start packing the floor again, and
       have Senators talk to each other, face-to-face. That’s what the
       Senate floor is there for. I’m not calling for kumbaya nonsense
       – Senators ought to fight hard for our positions, but we ought
       to have a good-faith fight without the showboating.
       Q: Removing cameras may eliminate the incentive for senators to
       play to an audience, but is there concern that the public may
       end up being less informed as a result?
       Sasse: As the Senate has become less deliberative and more
       performative, meaningful public understanding of and engagement
       in the legislative process has fallen off.
       Right now, most politics is an exercise in red jerseys versus
       blue jerseys, and being “well-informed” typically means having
       an arsenal of memes to post to Twitter and Facebook. But
       politics isn’t Wrestlemania. Self-government means sober
       deliberation, open and honest debate, and good-faith effort to
       tackle problems.
       Q: Do you think that there are senators who grandstand during
       hearings because they feel it is expected of them? Would they be
       relieved if cameras were removed?
       Sasse: Some small set of folks like the posturing and playacting
       and Twitter wars. But most are frustrated and exhausted. They
       know the Senate is dysfunctional, and they wish it weren’t. The
       problem, though, is that when it comes to making changes, all
       the incentives seem to run the wrong way. It looks too costly to
       stick one’s neck out on behalf of the institution. But if you
       talk to them away from the cameras, they know the Senate is not
       doing what it was created to do.
       I’ve heard from some of my colleagues since the WSJ essay was
       published. They have quibbles and disagreements, here and there.
       But most of them have made clear that the fundamental point is
       dead-on: We have a deeply dysfunctional body, and it’s a loss to
       the country that the Senate doesn’t work. But it doesn’t have to
       be that way. Now is the time for out-of-the-box ideas. Once upon
       a time, the Senate was the world’s greatest deliberative body.
       Let’s make it great again.
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