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#Post#: 502--------------------------------------------------
Hearing: Illegal Decision by iqforu
By: JamesSupreme Date: January 27, 2011, 1:06 pm
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This hearing is hereby in session.
The ViceChairman sees that iqforu, our Chairman has made an
illegal move by allowing an Executive Order.
This is not listed as a power in the Supreme Nomic Rule Set and
there fore should be deemed illegal and consequential action
must take place.
How do you, iqforu, plead?
#Post#: 505--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hearing: Illegal Decision by iqforu
By: iqforu Date: January 27, 2011, 1:18 pm
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I firmly believe that I have acted in the best interests of our
nomic in both of these Executive Actions.
Executive Actions are really nothing punishable; I have not
broken any rules. I have done nothing not explicitly illegal as
stated by the ruleset.
I have only presented my interpretation of S4.4.a. The Chairman
does not have to acknowledge new rules. Also, if the Chairman
does not update the ruleset, it does not become rule.
There is no solid charge you can make on me.
#Post#: 507--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hearing: Illegal Decision by iqforu
By: JamesSupreme Date: January 28, 2011, 8:35 am
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Yes, but S6.1.b states that a rule break is "performing an
action that is impossible, in accordance with the ruleset."
Considering the Supreme Nomic ruleset does not say that the
Chairman may have any Executive Orders, that makes it
impossible.
The rule set states that you may or may not acknowledge a passed
rule bu does not state that a player may have a stated Executive
Order.
Also, it is not in the Chairman's powers to interpret the rules.
That is the job of the ViceChairman-- a power not only held in
interpretation of the ruleset(s) as by S3.b.i and ii but also
but the inferred powers in S6, if a move is legal or not.
This would make the Executive Order that you made in "Executive
Action 1001: Denial of Passing of Proposal." This is not within
your power to do and therefore makes the move illegal by
interpretation of the ViceChairman.
This makes you wrong on two counts: one, breaking a rule as
based in S6.1.b and two, taking powers that are not rightfully
of the Chairman.
#Post#: 521--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hearing: Illegal Decision by iqforu
By: iqforu Date: February 1, 2011, 3:46 pm
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[quote author=JamesSupreme link=topic=104.msg507#msg507
date=1296225344]
Yes, but S6.1.b states that a rule break is "performing an
action that is impossible, in accordance with the ruleset."
Considering the Supreme Nomic ruleset does not say that the
Chairman may have any Executive Action, that makes it
impossible.[/quote]
Just because the Supreme Nomic doesn't explicitly say something
is possible doesn't make it impossible. The ruleset doesn't say
we have the power to give State of the Nomic Addresses, but we
do that anyways, don't we? You could apply this logic to
anything, and destroy this game.
[quote]
The rule set states that you may or may not acknowledge a passed
rule bu does not state that a player may have a stated Executive
Order.
[/quote]
The Executive Action is nothing concrete. It is not an
'action,' technically. It is a declaration of intent; in this
case, the declaration that I intend to use my power as Chairman
to not acknowledge the passing of a proposal.
[quote]
Also, it is not in the Chairman's powers to interpret the rules.
That is the job of the ViceChairman-- a power not only held in
interpretation of the ruleset(s) as by S3.b.i and ii but also
but the inferred powers in S6, if a move is legal or not.
[/quote]
#Post#: 542--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hearing: Illegal Decision by iqforu
By: JamesSupreme Date: February 2, 2011, 3:35 pm
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Nonetheless, as much as the Chairman has the power to ignore a
passed rule for a moment, he does not have the power to deny a
vote. The Initial Rule Set states that all players must vote and
that a 3/4 vote must be achieved. This did happen but you denied
a player a vote and therefore broke the rule.
iqforu, I deem you guilty on the count of committing an illegal
move of an Executive Action and also on discrimination against
another player.
I hereby declare you unable to post for two days but may send
personal messages.
Court is adjourned.
#Post#: 549--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hearing: Illegal Decision by iqforu
By: iqforu Date: February 2, 2011, 9:01 pm
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I never denied a player a vote? It was 2-1 in both proposals
that were denied...
So technically a 3/4 vote wasn't achieved in either case.
Therefore, we completely misinterpreted the rules and neither
was supposed to have been passed anyway.
#Post#: 550--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hearing: Illegal Decision by iqforu
By: JamesSupreme Date: February 2, 2011, 9:33 pm
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Um... Well, this seems to be a problem...
#Post#: 551--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hearing: Illegal Decision by iqforu
By: iqforu Date: February 2, 2011, 9:35 pm
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So... uhh... how about I rescind my EA's and you rescind this
hearing and we forget about all this? I'll archive it in a nice
place, store it tight, and we can forget this ever happened :D
#Post#: 552--------------------------------------------------
Re: Hearing: Illegal Decision by iqforu
By: JamesSupreme Date: February 2, 2011, 9:46 pm
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Sounds good! hehehe................... >.<
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