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Re: Nezushi sexcanon thread
By: Weisel Date: January 7, 2015, 4:38 pm
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@Ahiku Ohhhh my god, that was so difficult to listen to. I can't
imagine editing something like that. I mean, I love finding
lines to piece together to make humorous audio files, but
that... five whole minutes... I was crying and laughing so much
my cat came over to check on me. (Also I agree a lot on your
headcanons...)
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Re: Nezushi sexcanon thread
By: lawlya Date: January 7, 2015, 5:24 pm
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Okay, I'll just go with the form Ahiku suggested and answer
everything one after another xD
Oral sex: I very much agree with Ahiku here - with Nezumi
probably being the first one to bring it into the relationship
as a form of giving Shion some attention without expecting
anything back and Shion being curious enough to want to try it.
But somewhere (and don't ask me where exactly I read a headcanon
suggesting that Shion gets really good at oral sex and I just
went with it because why not? If he's good at it and Nezumi
likes it, they'd include it more often ...
Anal sex: Well, a bit like Ahiku said though it sounds like they
have rarely ever anal sex the way you describe it and I'd say
not every making out session ends in it but they'd do it
occasionally not rarely. [s](Anyone who wants numbers? I'm a
biology student, I always have numbers! Ehm ... ruely one out of
three times I'd say xD)[/s] Uhm ... Not really sure it's
probably a matter of mood again - about being satiesfied yet or
wanting to get on another level which would mean to go all the
way.
Handjobs: Well, I'd say that's the way they're most sexually
active along with oral sex and anything in between (like
grinding and such). Yeah, them just touching each other all over
in a heap of limbs, okay?
Eve: Again, I agree with Ahiku and I very much enjoy fanfictions
in which Eve occasionally spices up the bedroom time. But before
that happens, they'd have to establish their relationship to a
every deep level so I don't see it happening very soon after
Nezumi came back. Maybe a year or two later ...
Because there's still this little headcanon of mine that Nezumi
might fear that Shion is just as mesmerized by Eve as everyone
else once he met her and that Nezumi himself won't be enough
anymore. Of course for Shion, Nezumi is Nezumi, no matter in
what disguise or form so there's really not much to worry about
and the fantasy of the 'maiden in distress' just gives a special
kick.
And yes, sometime, Shion's going to try on that dress and Nezumi
is gonan experience what it does to Shion when he himself wears
it *harharhar*
[s]I'm sorry for any mistakes in wording or grammar; it's late,
I'm going to bed and I'm too lazy to check words I were unsure
if they're the right ones to use when I wrote this out ... And
my internet is acting up, so bye *waves*[/s]
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Re: Nezushi sexcanon thread
By: AoYokai Date: January 7, 2015, 5:35 pm
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I wonder how comfortable Nezumi with all of this at first? Any
type of sex, I mean. I don't think he would like the idea of
being vulnerable around Shion, at least at the beginning. I
wonder if being away will change that? Maybe being away from
Shion for so long would make it really hard to resist because of
stupid Nezumi reasons.
I have to admit I don't think Eve would take part in their sex
life. I had a discussion with @Lawlya about whether Eve even
existed outside the anime, and I don't remember the conclusion,
but I do remember Nezumi saying the theater in the West Block
doesn't have money for props (such as expensive looking dress
and makeup). Even if Eve did exist, I don't believed Nezumi
enjoyed being Eve enough to use her for sex purposes, although I
can totally see him convincing Shion to wear all types of dirty
outfits ^^ The whole Nezumi as Eve thing is just me tho, I
really can't come up with any reasons for Nezumi to dislike
being Eve...
I'm having a hard time imagining the whole oral sex and handjobs
thing, tbh. I know it's not reasonable, but it's just... NezuShi
are my pure, adorable ship with angels and rainbows and fluffy
unicorns.
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Re: Nezushi sexcanon thread
By: Ahiku Date: January 7, 2015, 5:49 pm
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Eww ;_; Forum refreshed and killed my post, what the heck! >,<
Not nice…
[quote]Well, a bit like Ahiku said though it sounds like they
have rarely ever anal sex the way you describe it and I'd say
not every making out session ends in it but they'd do it
occasionally not rarely.[/quote]
Ah, okay, I didn't mean it like that. XDDD I...well...I just
wanted to say it's nothing they'd do every day. But I wouldn't
give it numbers. It's hard to say. XD It's not like: "Hey,
Nezumi honey, it's Tuesday night... you know what I mean?" I
think they have birthday sex and a lot of vacation sex, and
sometimes morning sex, after show sex and sometimes
stress-reducing sex and sometimes even: Wow, this new project of
yours, very well done, nice job - sex...
I don't think they'll have it as often as handjobs or just
grinding or Nezumi's skillful f and stuff like that. (And I
think that they want to feel each other up nearly each day...
XD) And when it's not thaaaat often, it's still something
special.
[member=21]AoYokai[/member]:
Aww ;_;
Well, yeah, it's okay when you think like that. ^^ We're all
just sharing our headcanons, it's not that we're trying to
convince each other. And when you think that it's a pure,
adorable ship with angels and rainbows and fluffy unicorns it's
also fine. X'D And I totally agree when I see them as teenagers.
But well, when they grow up... they might have some needs... ^^
I think Nezumi would feel uncomfortable, but well, he had time
to grow up and I guess he already knows that he's attracted to
Shion. And one day it will just happen, totally naturally. And
he won't think about it too much... even though he'd like to
keep control about the whole situation.
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Re: Nezushi sexcanon thread
By: Weisel Date: January 7, 2015, 5:59 pm
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I just remembered! Last spring I was talking to someone about
Nezumi's virginity in a post on tumblr. They said:
[quote]There seems to be no fanfiction written from the
possibility that Nezumi is not actually sexually experienced.
I get why it’s such a popular assumption; nothing really
suggests that Nezumi is a virgin while we have several
suggestions that he’s not. But Nezumi’s prior sexual experience,
or lack thereof, is ambiguous and no one ever seems to explore
the other possibility.
Food for thought: Nezumi never confirms that he’s had sex with
anyone. He’s also incredibly clever and understands the value of
sex appeal. Giving the impression that he’s sexually experienced
works in his favor—it’s easier for him to charm people if they
think they’ll get something in return. He’s well read and likely
far more familiar than most inexperienced people are with sex.
Another interesting point: the kiss with the prostitute is
played way up in the anime and the manga. In the novels, Nezumi
isn’t portrayed like some godly kisser capable of making even a
whore blush; I get the feeling that this (including some of
Nezumi’s comments to Shion about sex) is one of the main reasons
people make the assumption that Nezumi’s not a virgin, but keep
in mind that Nezumi’s also an actor and he has no doubt kissed
people on stage before. He’s probably not unfamiliar with that,
at least.
I don’t know. I’m not trying to say he is or he isn’t, just that
it’s deliberately ambiguous, but everyone seems to assume that
he’s sexually experienced and ignoring the possibility that he
isn’t. Personally, I think it would make for a really
interesting fic: Shion thinks Nezumi’s had prior partners
because Nezumi has lead him (and everyone else) to believe that,
but Nezumi’s actually a virgin and the only things he knows
about sex are in theory, not practice.
Personally, I have a hard time reconciling what I know of
Nezumi’s personality with the idea that he is sexually
experienced. I can’t see him doing it for his own enjoyment
because he’s a distrustful misanthrope (not to mention a
pragmatist), and I can’t see him doing it as a form of
prostitution because everything he does in the novels suggests
that he’s smart enough to find a way around it.[/quote]
So I went on to say:
[quote]I’ve thought about these sorts of things, too, though I
think there’s a few more angles to look at this from. There’s
the first assumption that he’s not a virgin because of some of
the things he says and vague implications. And then looking
deeper like you did here, it makes more sense that he would be a
virgin based on his true personality and nature. But then
there’s even more to consider.
Yes, I think we can all agree it’s pretty unlikely he’d turn to
prostitution to get by, but that’s only one way of looking at
it. Sex can absolutely be used as a tool, and a very persuasive
one at that. So while I agree it’s a long shot to say he’s had
sex directly for money, I still think it’s more likely that he’s
not a virgin. I imagine he’s been able to get a lot out of
winning people over. We all know he’s a real charmer, but
there’s nothing like sex to really get a person under your
thumb.
So what I think is that while he’s never had sex out of his own
sexual or romantic feelings, he’s had sex with others who have
those feelings towards him in order to gain something for
himself.
I feel like a lot of fans would think “No, that’s not how it
works! Nezumi would only have sex with someone he loves!”
because it’s common to have the idea that consensual sex is
either love or prostitution with nothing in between. I think
that’s maybe because the ages of No.6 fans covers an age group
that shouldn’t really have any experiences to make them think
otherwise, which is fine! Don’t rush yourselves, guys! Stay the
innocent little angels you are! But what I mean to say is that
it’s hard to see all those grays in between unless you’ve been
there yourself.
So what I’m saying is that while Nezumi has never had sex based
on his own feelings and hasn’t opened up at all to another
person that way, he’s an experienced guy. He knows all the ways
to make someone putty in his hands. He’s got that knowledge.
He’s worked those grays in between without going all the way to
flat out prostitution.
Though I bet he’d be all nervous his first time with Shion
because it’d be his first time doing it out of his own desires
and that’s a whole other game right there and it’s giving me the
warm fuzzies.[/quote]
Thinking about it more now, I'd imagine that Nezumi's perception
of sex has been tainted by his life in the West Block. The
process of him learning to be more comfortable with sex would
probably involve a lot from Shion, mainly really understanding
Shion's intent (being closer to Nezumi than before, having the
opportunity to make Nezumi feel good, etc...) through Shion's
words and actions rather than Nezumi trying to figure it all out
himself.
Also I think their first time doing anything beyond kissing
would be initiated by Shion, but would be limited to just Nezumi
touching. It'd be a matter of still having complete control of a
situation that would probably terrify Nezumi otherwise.
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Re: Nezushi sexcanon thread
By: AoYokai Date: January 7, 2015, 6:10 pm
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@Ahiku yes happy Nezumi is happy me :D :D I really like the idea
of it happening neutrally, and it's also connected to what was
said about them not having sex the moment Nezumi returns.
I guess I could see one of them giving the other a
handjob/blowjob when he wakes up hard or something? [s]I think I
read it in a fic[/s] I noticed there are much less fics for
NezuShi that have anything other than what the DMMd fandom call
vanilla sex. (maybe it's used in other places too and I just
didn't see it so far..) Maybe I'm imagining it, but the only
kink I've ever stumbled upon in this fandom is light bondage.
And Eve. That might be one of my reasons of seeing them as a
pure ship. [s]I've seen some things I can never unsee in the
DMMd fandom O.O[/s]
@Weisel that makes a lot of sense. Can you imagine Nezumi having
a dream about Shion? Or feeling some sort of physical
attraction? And afterwards, he will be really confused like the
tsundere he is, trying to convince himself he's not attracted to
Shion at all. Like, even if he did have sex before, it would be
the first time he would like to have sex with someone because he
has feelings for him.
After coming back, though, he will finally be able to voice his
feelings. It will take time, but Shion will teach him to say
what's on his mind. I still find reasons for both of them to be
embarrassed about initiating something like that, and reasons
for both of them to initiate without any problem. I just don't
know T.T
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Re: Nezushi sexcanon thread
By: lawlya Date: January 7, 2015, 6:16 pm
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[s]Okay, I'm not at all in bed yet but hey! I can write back my
very short answer and check again tomorrow morning xD
@Ahiku: The numbers were meant as a joke though xD It's not like
they're planning it out but I think I read to much into the "not
too often"-part so ... everything clear now ;)
@Weisel: I actually remember that post :D It's somewhere on my
blog with your answer and though I thought I'd be really
interesting to see Nezumi as a virgin I agreed with your answer
more. I just barely can imagine someone having enough sex appeal
to stun a grown man speechless when that someone doesn't have
any experience ... but maybe that's just me either.
@Aoyokai: I remember that talk ... but I don't remember the
conclusion either. Wasn't your problem with Eve too that Nezumi
might be conflicted about Shion wanting him or her? Or do I
remember that wrong? Because I think we didn't get to a
conclusion then if I'm right about this xD
Well, Nezumi would definitely be careful and I like the idea of
his idea of sex being "tainted" to quote Weisel here. And yeah,
the first advance would probably be from Shion who just can't
hold back his feelings anymore (aka my exploding build up sexual
tension from before xD) but he would let Nezumi lead.
Because I imagine Shion being very well aware of Nezumi's fears
and boundaries when he's older and letting him decide how far
they go - and I actually got a little idea written down
somewhere on my computer that pretty much says that, during
their first real making out session, Shion's too afraid to
actually touch Nezumi back in fear of going too far and taking
too much control ... Don't know if that was exactly what you
meant but I'll just leave this here xD
[hr]
EDIT: By the way: A confused Nezumi who doesn't know how to deal
with his feelings (romantical or sexual) because "Hell, it's the
first time I'm feeling like this, what the fuck?!" is my life
and joy.
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Re: Nezushi sexcanon thread
By: Weisel Date: January 7, 2015, 6:19 pm
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In terms of the vanilla sex thing (which IS a term used
elsewhere, I promise), I think Nezumi and Shion have both been a
little too traumatized throughout their lives to find any other
kind of sex very appealing. Think of some kinks and apply them
to Nezumi and Shion and you might find that it wouldn't work out
at all... Try restraining Nezumi? No way, José. I've only ever
written Shion as the one interested in all to try things like
that, and even he isn't too keen on a lot. (I do on occasion
write him wanting Nezumi to do things like bite him and stuff,
but nothing TOO wild...)
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Re: Nezushi sexcanon thread
By: AoYokai Date: January 7, 2015, 7:30 pm
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@Lawlya
That... does sound like something I could say. It also sounds
familiar so I might have really said that... But we also talked
about whether Eve even existed, right? idk anymore ^^"
Not touching Nez's back sound like Shion :) Do you think Nezumi
would realize? What would he say?
@Weisel
Yay now I know some slang in English [s]now I can talk with the
cool kids not that I can see a case where I'll talk about
something like that in English in the near future...[/s]
ok ok ok but consider this: Shion hearing guys from work talking
about all kinds of dirty things and thinking 'hey that might
make Nezumi happy' or 'I wonder what that is' and ask Nezumi
about it.
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Re: Nezushi sexcanon thread
By: Weisel Date: January 7, 2015, 7:47 pm
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@AoYokai Vanilla sex is just a term for "boring" (though that's
subjective) or "normal" sex, though it's a nicer term for it so
it's used a lot instead of just saying boring or normal. For
example, in one of my previous households, I lived with some
pretty kinky people, but one of them didn't like any of that
stuff, so she was laughing about it and saying "I have the most
vanilla sex, but I love it!"
(Also I imagined it. Thanks.)
Shion: So, I don't know what a rimjob is, but I want to know if
you're interested.
Nezumi: *spits out his coffee* YES-- I mean--
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