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Re: Fanfiction Advice
By: lawlya Date: April 8, 2015, 12:24 pm
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That could actually take a[s]n eternity[/s] while ... You want
me to just tell here? I wouldn't have anything against that xD
Just not sure if that's what you'd want ^^
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Re: Fanfiction Advice
By: kare_reiko Date: April 8, 2015, 2:03 pm
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I just wonder about your all opinion here,
What you think typical NO.6 people would think about homosexual
relation ship, I'm not talking about west block people because
in that place is feel like no one care who sleep with who.
But as for Shion as head of RC, what you think people would act?
Soon in my ff, when boys will talk about their relationship,
they'll decide to not show it too much to public, to not bother
Shion's work. Still Shion will say that if it comes out to
public (accidentally or something) he won't be mind because he
loves Nezumi and he don't care if it would hurt his
image/position.
Not everyone would choose major or chief of different sexuality,
in NO.6 where relationships were mostly viewed as "they will
make good, healthy and intelligent kids", I assume from Safu
talk at beginning of novel.
I wonder what you think? We know that some countries are less
tolerances then others, mine is more less then more. I'm asking
because I wonder if not build this topic more after 9th act of
my story and I wonder in with way to go...
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Re: Fanfiction Advice
By: lawlya Date: April 8, 2015, 2:18 pm
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I actually once had that talk with Aoyokai. I think we came to
the conclusion that No.6 wouldn't mind homosexual couples that
much.
Though, starting that discussion, I came from a very similar
point like yours.
It's shown that sex in No.6 is mainly reproductive and it seem
to be frowned upon to sleep with somebody just because it's fun
and feels good. Considering that, it would be highly
unproductive to have homosexual couples or even allowing
homosexual marriage.
Aoyokai however, pointed out that the percentage of the citizens
that would actually engage in homosexual relationships isn't
gonna outweight the onces who'll engage in hetero- or bisexual
ones and are gonna give birth to children. So, all in all, it
would probably be the case that non-heterosexual relationships
wouldn't be minded that much since No.6 wants to keep its
citizens happy and productive.
I think that's all highly speculative though. And I understand
both points of view. I rather like the idea of a city or state
that doesn't care what kind of relationships you chose to have.
Though I'd think that maybe No.6 wouldn't be quite as lax as
West Block. I could see some people frowning over homosexual
relationships but not really discrimination or something like
that. Just that some people would think it's a waste.
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Re: Fanfiction Advice
By: Ahiku Date: April 8, 2015, 2:27 pm
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Hm, I think they tolerate it. Safu also asked Shion if he's not
interested in women and didn't seem to have a problem with it.
So I don't think it's a taboo issue and Nezumi and Shion are
both not very subtle about each other, right?
But well, No. 6 was also a place where emotions were not very
common. A lot of people had bees inside and they suppressed
their feelings. They don't seem to have sex that often... (Ok, I
guess there are exceptions. XD) and it's more for
reproduction...
Listenforthelove and I talked about Karan and Shion's father
recently and if she loved him and why she was even together with
him... (Maybe he was nicer when they were younger.) I don't
think she could love him the way he's acting in Beyond... would
be very weird then... and she seems to be reasonable.) I thought
that both of them have good genes... Shion is a genius after
all. ^^° I could imagine that the city is supporting
reproduction of people with good genes, no matter if they love
each other or not. XD Maybe they get money. Ah...and then the
wellfare program... get a genius child and you will live in
wealth without lifting a finger. Could be tempting for some
people. (I don't think Karan did it because of that, but that
could be a reason... I think true love was rare in No. 6, since
the city was even controlling the feelings of a lot of people.)
But especially after the fall of the wall, people from the West
Block are also going to live inside. And I think most people in
No. 6 know that being gay is just as normal as being straight.
So I don't think there's a problem. But somehow I don't see
Shion broadcasting that he has a boyfriend. X'D Unless he's
together with Nezumi, he's rather introverted. Hm...
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Re: Fanfiction Advice
By: listenforthelove Date: April 8, 2015, 2:36 pm
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@lawlya: ahhhh tempting. I guess I can be patient, I'm just very
curious now, haha XD
@kare_reiko: hm, I think they would be rather indifferent about
same-sex couples in No. 6, actually, at least during the span of
the story. No-one seems to mind in the West Block at least,
especially since they have a more 'live your own life' mentality
and are just happy enough if they can make it from one day to
the next. Inside the city, it's a little more difficult to say
since we don't know much to go on, but I don't think they care
all that much as long as people contribute to the city. Safu was
pretty blase about artificial insemination, saying it was
encouraged by the city. I got the feeling that it implies quite
some people decide to have children without a relationship that
makes reproduction possible. I mean, Shion didn't get that Safu
meant sex at first; he just thought she wanted his sperm and
that alone. Which was apparently not such a strange thought, so
that makes me think that single parents, same-sex couples
raising children etc. might be a bit more common in No. 6.
Lost Town, there I don't know. It's the most similar to 'our'
world out of all portions of the city, being less under the
direct influence of the city while also not in complete poverty
as the West Block.
And you're speaking of the period after the wall has come down,
so that means that all these people have started to mix....
Overall, I think that the general opinion on same-sex
relationships is a bit 'meh, I don't care, has nothing to do
with me', though some people might be opposed for various
reasons, as it is in our world. I don't think Shion would do any
coming out in the broader sense (saying he's attracted to men),
just that he's with Nezumi - it's always been Nezumi to him,
after all.
(General disclaimer that I'm Dutch and haven't touched much upon
Japanese sociology re: same-sex couples, so my interpretation is
very Western.)
... oh the joys of internet dying on me, haha. Sorry, I only
just saw there were 2 more replies, hopefully I'm not repeating
them too much.
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Re: Fanfiction Advice
By: Weisel Date: April 8, 2015, 2:48 pm
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With the artificial insemination option, I think it's probably
more looked down upon to "waste good genetics." So if a person
with "superior genetics" was homosexual in No.6 and still
reproduced somehow, then that would be fine. But if they
didn't... they're probably not "doing their duty" as a citizen.
*scoffs at everything*
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Re: Fanfiction Advice
By: kare_reiko Date: April 9, 2015, 11:23 am
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Thank you all for opinion. Well, I will think about it when time
comes, for now it's still little far away from it. Thanks again
^^.
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Re: Fanfiction Advice
By: Vox Date: April 9, 2015, 4:25 pm
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Oh man, I wish I had seen this before, because I really like
what Weisel said. Somehow the idea of the city just being like
'whatever' about it didn't sit right with me, and I love the
spin Weisel put on it. I also thought that they might use
someone's homosexuality against them to manipulate them, like,
'if you don't do this thing for the good of the city, we're
going to stop allowing you to waste your sperm/eggs in this
extravagant manner, so give us what we want." I mean, No. 6
tends to just kill off people who do stuff they don't want, but
I imagine where a more subtle touch is needed, this is the kind
of information they could use to guilt-trip people into doing
what they want.
Shion, of course, is oblivious to all this. XD
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Re: Fanfiction Advice
By: Ahiku Date: April 9, 2015, 4:40 pm
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[member=16]Vox[/member]
Ah, we can still open a thread about it in the Latch Building
department! :3
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Re: Fanfiction Advice
By: lawlya Date: April 9, 2015, 5:55 pm
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Yes, that would probably be a good idea :)
I never saw it quite as extreme as Vox but also considered that
No.6 may not be very pleased with homosexual relationships. They
are - as was said - not productive. And you're not allowed to be
unhappy anyway so how are you gonna show that you don't agree
about homosexual relationships being a waste of potential?
And didn't you want to do something about Nezumi's family as
well?
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