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Re: No. 6's location
By: lawlya Date: November 9, 2014, 1:00 pm
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I never knew something like this existed *w* Wow!
Well, I can at least tell you that Europe definitely doesn't
have tropical storms. So it's probably really East Asia :) And
as far as I know, the forest that is around No.6 is probably
natural? The Mao Forest was at least ... But you're right -
mountains are a good hint ^^
As far as I know (and I don't know much) Korea would probably be
too tropical? I mean, it's never stated that the climate around
No.6 is humid or anything. And if I think of Korea I kind of
have the image of really humid and hot summers ... I could be
wrong though.
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Re: No. 6's location
By: listenforthelove Date: November 9, 2014, 1:48 pm
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South-Korea, or at least Seoul, is humid continental/sub
tropical, wiki helpfully informs me. Cold, dry winter, wet, hot
summer, and no spring. You're right, @lawlya, might be too
tropical.
North-Korea... I kind of doubt as a setting, that would be a
rather daring move if Asano consciously placed it there
considering real-world affairs. Interesting thought, though.
From what we know, the environment there is... not so good.
Climate wise it might fit better?
Yeah, I think it's mentioned the forest in the North is natural
as well. (Though wasn't the Mao forest in the North too? Was it
part of the same forest or are there multiple forests?) Hm, the
mountains were in the North too... though I think the forest is
still within city walls. At least on the map, the airport is,
and the airport was built where the Mao forest used to be. Ah, I
digress, sorry.
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Re: No. 6's location
By: Ahiku Date: November 9, 2014, 2:56 pm
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I thought the Mao forest was right there where No. 6 is now and
that the Forest Park is a part of the former Mao forest. They
killed the Mao people to grab their land? I think there's a
difference between Northern forest and Mao forest. But I can't
say it for sure.
Hmmm, I googled a little bit and found a forest called "Maolan"
in Libo Country, China.
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libo_County
The forest is a karst forest... characterized by underground
drainage systems with sinkholes, dolines, and caves. (Something
like that could be right under the CF...)
About the forest:
[quote]According to statistics, the karst forest is a rare
original forest to survive with Central Asian tropical karst
features. The forest and karst formations create an ecological
system of profound scientific value. It provides a natural
science museum of karst formations for scientific research as
well as particularly fascinating scenery. Unlike most other
karst scenic areas, which are usually barren, the Maolan forest
integrates hills, waters, underground caves and green trees,
presenting a beautiful picture.[/quote]
The province is Guizhou...
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guizhou
[quote]Overall Guizhou is a mountainous province however it is
more hilly in the west while the eastern and southern portions
are relatively flat. The western part of the province forms part
of the Yunnan-Guizhou Plateau..
Guizhou has a subtropical humid climate. There are few seasonal
changes. Its annual average temperature is roughly 10 to 20 °C,
with January temperatures ranging from 1 to 10°C and July
temperatures ranging from 17 to 28 °C.[/quote]
Ok, there are a few changes.. but well, when it's 1°C i winter
and 28°C in summer there are changes.
Maybe it's a bit too much in the south... and it doesn't say if
there are mountains in the north.
But it's a whole province. No. 6 does't seem to be extremely
huge. ^^°
So... it's in the south. Uh...I dunno... does the book say if
the mountains are close? I mean there's the Northern Forest...
the mountains could be far away. ^^°
And when you look at a map... there are defiitely mountains in
the north. (But well, more in the west. oo°)
Faaaar in the north are the. But not too far.
(Ah...ok, I can't use google maps links here. XD Ok... I'll post
a picture instead...)
And gold... there's also gold in the province Guizhou.
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinfeng_Gold_Mine
Ok here's a map...
HTML http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/Ahiku/maolan_zps08d1b50a.jpg
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Re: No. 6's location
By: listenforthelove Date: November 9, 2014, 3:37 pm
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@Ahiku: I actually thought that the forest itself was outside of
No. 6 until it started to expand more? In the novels, that is.
I'm gonna dig them up, hang on.
In volume 9, it says:
[quote]Before No. 6 was born, this area was a miraculously
preserved stretch of beautiful, abundant forest. I said
miraculous, but this land―its forests, woods, and
lakes― was actually meant to survive. Elyurias and the
Forest People protected this realm. It was because of her that
this land's wildlife was spared damage.
(...)
Rou was a member of a revival project team chosen to design and
build No. 6 on this land. Before No. 6 was created, there used
to be a small, pretty town at the edge of the forest. People who
survived through the waste and decay lived modestly here in a
tightly-knit community. This town was the mother of No. 6.
Bright young people were chosen from that town to form a team to
build a utopian city.[/quote]
(9th-ave
HTML http://9th-ave.blogspot.ie/2012/10/novel-no-6-vol-9-ch-4-a.html)
The town being the Town of Roses, whose people didn't know about
the Forest People. So then it would be a big area under Elyurias
that the forest and the future No. 6 happen to be a part of?
And in the epilogue
HTML http://9th-ave.blogspot.ie/2012/11/novel-no-6-vol-9-epilogue.html:<br
/>
[quote]Promise them a land where they can live in peace. Shion
had forwarded Rou's short message to the Restructural Committee,
and gotten permission to allocate a part of the northern forest
to those people. The land was on the outskirts of Mao, where the
Forest People used to live. The dense
expanse of forest protected their eyes, which were sensitive to
bright sunlight because of the darkness they were accustomed
to.[/quote]
... That doesn't actually clarify it one bit, huh. Still not
sure if Mao is the name of the area or of the actual forest.
I got the impression the Forest Park was entirely man made,
actually... I mean, all of the plants and animals there were
managed on a nanoscale level, which was why Shion didn't like
it.
Wahhh I got side tracked again, sorry ;;; but that is super
interesting! And I guess 'North of No. 6' does not necessarily
have to mean 'North on the map'? Or does it... Hm. But yeah,
aside from a stray hill in the North Block, no actual mountains
are mentioned as being seen in the story I think, so I doubt
they're all that close. Like, relatively close, but not 'oh look
it's a mountain in our backyard' close.
I have no idea how big No. 6 is - it doesn't look super big on
the map, but it does have trains? And it's self-contained
because there's nothing in between the cities (or so it is said
anyway), so it's not like those trains will run outside of No.
6. So it's at the very least a pretty large city then, otherwise
who would need trains... (It also has an airport as mentioned,
but I suppose those planes do actually go to the other cities,
so that doesn't say much about the scale of No. 6 itself.) But
it could easily be just a part of a former bigger area or
province, if it's only one part that got protected by the Forest
People and Elyurias.
But if No. 6 is indeed in China, that sounds like a likely
candidate, and actually a forest called MAOlan! Nice found!!
ETA: I just realized I completely forgot to link to the map I've
been referring to. Here it is
HTML http://listenforthelove.tumblr.com/post/73832989159/the-world-of-no-6-click-through-for-full-size-or.<br
/>(It's in the guide and in the earlier volumes of the novels -
it's pretty much the same as the map in the manga, though, which
has a slightly different drawing style but that's it, I
believe.)
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Re: No. 6's location
By: Ahiku Date: November 9, 2014, 5:07 pm
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[quote][member=2]Ahiku[/member]: I actually thought that the
forest itself was outside of No. 6 until it started to expand
more? I'm gonna dig up the novels, hang on. [/quote]
Ah... yeah, but No. 6 wanted the land...
Volume 6, chapter 5 says a couple of things about it. For
example:
[quote]"My people, Shion―we were once called the Forest
People. Even before No.6... no, even before the Town of the
Rose, which would become the beginnings of No. 6, we lived in
the forest, and it was our home. We were in harmony―true
harmony with the wind, the earth, the water and the sky, and
with animals and plants. For all of that time."[/quote]
That's why I thought they lived there... o.o and the city cut
down parts of the forest.
[quote]"Yes, Shion. The Forest People used to inhabit this land.
That is why so much nature has managed to remain miraculously
intact."[/quote]
[quote]"Shion, you probably had no idea it was happening, but
No. 6 was still burgeoning when you were born. They tried to
swallow every single piece of land which was suitable for their
habitation and make it their own. They concluded that we were in
the way. We were people of the forest―we obeyed the laws
of the forest, but refused to worship anything else. We refused
to become part of No. 6. Back then, the wall was finishing up at
a considerable speed. Only those on the inside of the silver
wall were to be treated like humans. As for those outside, they
could invade it or destroy it however they liked―that was
becoming No. 6's stance. And in accordance with it, they invaded
the entire forest, and stole it from us. You understand what I'm
saying?"[/quote]
[quote]"So No. 6 invaded your forest, destroyed it, and went on
extending its territory."
[quote]"That's right. It was around where the airport is now.
The woods that dot the place are the remnants of the forest.
They must've wanted land to make a runway on. A few years after
the massacre, No. 6's walls stretched out into the form they are
today."[/quote][/quote]
Ok... somehow I always thought that most of the nature in No. 6
was part of the Mao forest before that... They can still
controll it afterwards, thin it out, regulate everything... But
especially trees need a while to grow.
Ah, this chapter is really interesting... there's also another
description of No. 6's location.
[quote]There was once a city here as well. It was a beautiful
city. There was an almost miraculous amount of abundant nature
still left intact on this stretch of land. Admittedly, there was
no ocean―but there were deep forests, lakes and marshes,
and plains. Yes: it was indeed miraculous. It was a place of
miracles, like the rose that blooms in the midst of blasted
pieces of rubble.[/quote]
So, yeah... no ocean. So it's definitely not on an island. Japan
is game over. XD
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Re: No. 6's location
By: listenforthelove Date: November 9, 2014, 5:25 pm
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@Ahiku: ah... I think I took that 'those outside' very
literally, then. Hm.
At least the Forest People seem to have lived in only one part
of the forest by that time, though? Maybe they used to live in
all of the forest before No. 6 drove them out to a certain
corner, where they were eventually wiped out?
I guess it'd make sense if the Forest Park was built around
already existing nature indeed, trees don't just pop up from
nowhere. Didn't think of that, oops.
Ah, huh, no ocean? o-o But... not close to an ocean should rule
out typhoons, shouldn't it? I mean, it's probably not an
ocean-side city then, but it has to be sort of close in order
for a typhoon to strike... I didn't get the impression it was an
exaggerated autumn storm, but an actual typhoon, so, huh? ???
DANG IT. XD;
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Re: No. 6's location
By: Weisel Date: November 9, 2014, 5:50 pm
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I lived in central Pennsylvania (a state without any coasts) for
a while and one year we actually had a hurricane come close to
us from the southern United States... So I think it doesn't have
to be too terribly close to the ocean to get weather similar to
that.
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Re: No. 6's location
By: AoYokai Date: November 11, 2014, 11:24 pm
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Wow this is really complicated... but interesting :D I think
I'll use China for my fic... but if anyone finds anything else
it's still really interesting to hear :)
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Re: No. 6's location
By: listenforthelove Date: November 12, 2014, 3:21 pm
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Ah, good luck with the fic, @AoYokai! Will you share once you're
done? I'm very curious now, haha!
@Weisel: wow, really? O_o that is pretty scary. Huh, no idea
hurricanes could go that far inland (is that a word?)...
Guess it doesn't have to be super close to the coast indeed.
Maybe just a figure of speech to clarify it's not like the beach
is 5 minutes away or something?
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Re: No. 6's location
By: AoYokai Date: November 13, 2014, 10:14 am
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Thank you :) I'll post it on tumblr and AO3 on the Holy Day
Celebration week :)
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