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No. 6's location
By: AoYokai Date: November 9, 2014, 2:05 am
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So, I'm writing a fic about Nezumi's travels and it got me
thinking: assuming that the No. 6 universe is similar to ours,
where do you think No. 6 is? My first guess would be Japan just
because... you know, but I really don't think they would choose
to build their city in Japan after half of the world dies. Maybe
a place with a little more natural resources. Or maybe it is on
some island and that's why it's so isolated?
I don't really know much about geography, but No. 6 is in a
place that has lots of gold, as Shion's father discovered, so I
don't really know if islands can even have gold...? (I don't
know I feel stupid I should sleep) It should also be in a place
where the forest can be, and the weather is reasonable (???) so
I wouldn't guess Russia for example. So I was thinking... China?
Somewhere in the Americas? South Africa? I don't know much about
the weather in these places so...Oh there's Australia too (I'm
looking at a list of the biggest gold-mining countries) here's
the list if you wanna look at potential countries:
HTML http://www.goldfacts.org/en/economic_impact/countries/
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Re: No. 6's location
By: Ahiku Date: November 9, 2014, 3:01 am
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A new fic? Yay! \(*o*)/
Ahhhh, [member=5]listenforthelove[/member],
[member=7]lawlya[/member] and I have talked about No. 6's
location in the time line thread... I know... pretty off topic
lol)
I think it's starting here...
HTML http://no6.createaforum.com/karan%27s-bakery/timeline-in-no-6-help/?message=1103
It's quite a lot, so I'm not posting everything here.
Just a little summarization.
I think all of us came to the conclusion that No. 6 could be
Tokyo, because of the climatic condistions. Even though they
regulate the weather within the city walls, we still have the
West Block... hot summers, cold winters (but there's no snow at
all, maybe a bit. The ground is frozen. But even if it's not
frozen people can freeze to death when they don't have enough
food and proper clothes... and when you're used to warm
temperatures it can be harsh when you suddenly have to live
somewhere else where it is significantly colder.
Hm, I ever thought about gold, but I think Japan had some gold
mines, too.
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toi_gold_mine
Ok, it says it WAS a gold mine... and it's in Toi which is not
too far from Tokyo (maybe 2-3 hours per train).
Ah, i'm not so much into Beyond at the moment... does Shion's
father really know that there's a gold mine around the city or
does he think there's gold? o.o
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Re: No. 6's location
By: listenforthelove Date: November 9, 2014, 6:03 am
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First of all: yess new fic! \o/
Secondly, haha, yes, as @Ahiku said, we went off-topic a bit in
the timeline topic and sort of discussed this...
I still maintain that it's very likely No. 6 is in Japan, or
even Tokyo, for reasons @Ahiku mentioned. And wasn't No. 6 the
most advanced of the cities, technology-wise and so on?
Regarding resources: Chronos uses solar energy, whereas Lost
Town uses RDF (Refuse Derived Fuel). Which is... what it says on
the tin, haha. Chronos used that too before switching to solar
energy. The East and South blocks are used for agriculture and
provide most of the vegetables and meat for No. 6. So it became
self-sufficient, and doesn't need to rely on oil I suppose.
(Though Rikiga's car is old and still uses petroleum/whatever,
if memory serves. I think the other cars are electrical?)
And you're right, if it is on an island, it would account for
the isolation (and mirror Japan's position in history for a good
couple of centuries, actually).
On the other hand... Nezumi says to have walked for half a year
by the time he meets Shion's father, so unless he conveniently
forgot to mention he had to take a boat at some point - huh?
Oh wow, I totally misread @Ahiku's post on the Toi mines and
thought it read Toi8, oops. XD;
As for Beyond, Shion's father does show Nezumi actual gold:
[quote]“Is this... gold ore?”
“Yes. Listen to me: there are gold deposits in the area around
No. 6. I don’t know how large the area is, but I think there’s a
considerable amount of gold hidden there.”
“No way.”
“It’s true. I discovered it when I was younger. I might look
like this now, but I was once a geologist. We investigated all
soil around No. 6, and this was part of the discovery.”[/quote]
(9th-ave
HTML http://9th-ave.blogspot.ie/2013/03/novel-no-6-beyond-ch-4-b.html)
I don't see why he should be lying about where he got the gold,
but yeah, I don't really trust the guy. <<
(Also, I went to Asuka and the Manyo museum this year; the
museum is located where Japan's first known mint was. Asuka was
the not-really-but-sort-of capital before Nara, which was the
capital in the 8th century. So I assume there must be some kinds
of metals in Japan to make coins with in the first place, unless
they imported it all as early as that? I'm not exactly well-read
on the natural occurrences of gold and gold mines, though.)
And there is something else I meant to discuss, maybe in a
thread of its own, but it might be relevant here... I always
kind of felt Elyurias was like a kami, a Shinto god. I really
need to dig up my readings to make a more accurate post on that,
but yeah, that does feed into my idea that No. 6 is in Japan.
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Re: No. 6's location
By: Weisel Date: November 9, 2014, 6:34 am
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I personally think that No.6 is located somewhere that China
used to be. When Shion's discussing the Babylon Treaty in the
anime, it shows ruins underwater, and at the mention of most of
the world becoming inhabitable, my thought it that nuclear bombs
were used in the last war, which could be powerful enough to
change the climate itself. So I imagine that the process of
global warming was sped up, a significant portion of coastal
lands are now underwater, and basically all the islands we know
of now are underwater as well. Plus, like we said, Nezumi's only
been walking as far as we know.
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Re: No. 6's location
By: listenforthelove Date: November 9, 2014, 6:50 am
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@Weisel: ah, good point about the ruins under water, I totally
forgot that. The anime did show a bit more about the world than
the manga/novels did, didn't it? I mean, we actually saw No. 5
in there and all. China is a good possibility, as it would
account for Nezumi only having walked so far (China to
Western-Europe would take about half a year I guess?), and
depending on where you are in China, I think the climate could
be similar to Japan? Perhaps hotter? But yeah if climate changed
anyway...
I always kind of assumed nuclear weapons were in fact used in
the wars that almost destroyed human kind... I'm not sure if it
was explicitly mentioned that it was indeed the case, though,
but it would account for a lot of things.
I wonder where the world in No. 6 split off from the world we
know (if it's not a completely different/parallel world to begin
with, but let's assume not because otherwise they wouldn't
mention America explicitly). I mean, Shion was born in 2001 and
the Treaty was made and No. 6 was being built before he was
born, so at least at the end of the 20th century. Hm. Maybe the
1940s ended a little differently than in our history?
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Re: No. 6's location
By: lawlya Date: November 9, 2014, 10:39 am
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Oh, I really like the idea of No.6 being in former China. If the
coasts are really under water now it would be considerably
smaller too. And continental climate (as I recall from my
geography lessons in school) is known for hot summers and cold
winters (extreme weather) so that would fit too.
I also assumed that they used nuclear weapons though I doubt
they could change the climate. But either way, it was described
that due to the war, most areas of the world weren't inhabitable
for humans anymore and that six places somehow recovered faster.
That sound remarkably like nuclear weapons and the contaminated
ground they leave behind.
That's an interesting thought ... That World War 2 ended
differently than in our history. Or maybe it rather was the cold
war that escalated? [s]And again, we're off topic xD[/s]
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Re: No. 6's location
By: listenforthelove Date: November 9, 2014, 11:09 am
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Haha, sorry for derailing the topic - I guess I was wondering in
how much the world looked physically different from our world. I
mean, if our worlds were the same until the 1940s, that has more
chances of radical changes than if it split off in like, the
1980s. Especially with World War 2 and the Cold War, which could
have transformed the Earth's surface pretty dramatically and
maybe have wiped certain countries off the map completely. So
sort of relevant? Yes? No? Sorry? XD;
But yes, pollution by radioactivity was explicitly mentioned I
think, which I guess could also relate to the use of nuclear
weapons...
Ok, to get back on topic again: I do think No. 6 is above the
equator, at least, so it won't be Australia, South America or
South Africa (which @AoYokai mentioned as possibilities). I
think snow is mentioned to occur, and well, if Shion's birthday
is in September and in the months after that it's getting
winter, it should be in the Northern Hemisphere. And far enough
above the equator to actually experience different seasons,
though that is debatable since No. 6 can control its climate
inside the walls. Still, it's pretty cold in the West Block...
Maybe we should pull out a world map and start checking off
regions? ;) Maybe also draw an outline of countries that might
have sunk. I mean, I know my home country of the Netherlands is
below sea level for the most part, and if the sea level rises
again due to global warming and there aren't that many people
left to take care of the dams...
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Re: No. 6's location
By: lawlya Date: November 9, 2014, 11:37 am
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What we need is either a geography major or an interative map.
You know, where you can click on conditions you need and it just
erases all the regions and countries that doesn't fit that
description? Like 'snow fall at least once a year' or something
like that xD God, things that I need I never knew I would ever
want ...
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Re: No. 6's location
By: listenforthelove Date: November 9, 2014, 12:03 pm
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Well....
HTML http://mapmaker.education.nationalgeographic.com/?ar_a=1&b=1&ls=000000000000<br
/>;)
Hm, there were mountains in the North of No. 6, right? That
helps narrowing things down a bit. Forests and plains can be
manmade, mountains, not so much.
I think we can rule out all of South America and most of Africa,
and definitely Australia. Countries about the height of
Indonesia as well, I suppose... And everything too far up North,
at the height of Iceland, considering the amount of day hours
and the general cold/snow. Oh, and an area that gets tropical
storms, I suppose. That might rule out Europe?
Oh, hang on, from all the way back in volume 1:
[quote]a tropical low pressure-system, or hurricane, that had
developed a week ago off the South-Western area of the North
Pacific Ocean, made its way north, gathering power, until it hit
us directly in the city of No. 6.[/quote]
Off the South-Western area of the North Pacific Ocean - that
would indicate East Asia above the equator, and No. 6 lies above
the point where the hurricane (or typhoon as it should be
called) formed. Here's a map
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon#mediaviewer/File:Pacific_typhoon_tracks_1980-2005.jpg<br
/>of typhoons between 1980 and 2005.
So if it's indeed a tropical storm and thus a typhoon, then this
is the area we should be looking at. Japan looks likely, as does
China - maybe also Korea?
(Disclaimer that my topographical and geographical 'knowledge'
dates back to junior high and is WOEFUL, so if someone is more
informed about this than I am, please feel absolutely free to
correct me.)
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Re: No. 6's location
By: AoYokai Date: November 9, 2014, 12:13 pm
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There's a map of gold deposits (I think) in China here:
HTML http://gold.infomine.com/countries
I don't know how reliable
this source is.
There's also this about gold in North Korea,
(
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_North_Korea#Gold_mining)<br
/>but I don't really know about the climate in there so...
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