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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: Ahiku Date: November 1, 2014, 5:52 pm
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Yeah... maybe it really is like that.
December is gone, old year is gone - BAM - new year and spring
withing 3 days. Just because of the climatic change.
It's not the real but a sci-fi world after all, so it could be
possible. Short winters, long summers.
Ah, but isn't No. 6 able to regulate the climatic conditions
withing the city walls?
So, maybe they really have another definition of season, and
it's more like January, February, March = spring, April, May,
June = summer, July, August, September = autumn, October,
November, December = winter.
When Safu came back she was sitting on a bench in front of a
blooming flower meadow (in the anime)... in December! I mean she
came back, said good-bye to her grandma and then visited Karan,
I don't think she took weeks to do so. And also Karan... just
look here:
HTML http://mangafox.me/manga/no_6/v03/c010/22.html
Ah and here even more flowers...
HTML http://mangafox.me/manga/no_6/v03/c010/22.html
The trees have leaves, the flowers bloom and everything is
f*cked up. ^^°
But since they are wearing coats, it seems to be at least a bit
chilly, but not like a "real" winter in West Block would be. I
guess they never had snow within the city walls.
Ok, it's just getting more confusing. @_@ But maybe it's really
like that. They "generate" extenuated seasons and a new year
starts after the Holy celebration, and that's also the day when
spring is about to come, more flowers and blossoms... harvest in
summer and autumn and then winter so that the trees can
regenrate.
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: lawlya Date: November 1, 2014, 6:10 pm
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That could be the reason. While reading your explanation, I
remembered that Shion once stated that he didn't know the biting
cold he experienced in the West Block since No.6 regulated the
climate inside the walls or something ... So maybe they really
generate those seasons to fit the Holy Celebration Day ... maybe
it was still winter in West Block ... Would mean that Nezumi
stayed quite a long time with Karan and Shion when he left in
spring - the real spring, that is.
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: listenforthelove Date: November 1, 2014, 8:10 pm
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@Ahiku: ah, that is a very good point! Yeah, at least in Chronos
pretty much every single thing is regulated, and we know that
the Forest Park is managed on microscale. It's reasonable to
assume in that context that they'd somehow change the seasons so
that spring would collide with Holy Celebration Day.
@lawlya: ah, the sentence in volume 9 ran like this:
[quote]Spring was coming. A late spring was starting to arrive
in the West Block.[/quote]
So that's specifically the West Block... Shit, I was hoping
Nezumi had indeed spent quite a while with Shion and Karan. I
had the feeling it was about a week, but I checked beyond again
and there's no mention of how long he stayed. Hmm. Then I'm
going with your theory of Nezumi staying for quite a while, that
sounds much nicer.
Dang. I think all we can say about seasons for sure is that we
didn't see summer in the story XD;
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: Ahiku Date: November 2, 2014, 5:59 am
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Normally, Shion's birthday should be in summer. XD
But well, when spring really starts in January, September is no
late summer. But well it's always green there. o.o°
Ah, I wonder... if they really have snow in the West Block. I
mean there's snow in the anime ending. When they bury Inukashi's
uncle, they say that the ground is frozen. But we don't have
snow in anime and manga, even though it's winter.
Hmm...maybe No. 6 is in the subtropics... (Ok, I guess it's more
like some kind of border between subtropics and temperate zone.)
[quote]Eight months of the year within the subtropics have an
average temperature at or above 10 °C (50.0 °F), with their
coldest month averaging between 2 and 13 °C (35.6 and 55.4
°F).[/quote] Or it's a fluent passage between subtropics and
temperate zone.
No. 6 regulates the temperatures, so it's not too hot... The Mao
people lived there and I guess it's really hard to survive in a
forest when the winters are long and really cold.
Ah, and Shion says:
[quote]September 7, 2013 was my twelfth birthday. On this day, a
tropical low pressure-system, or hurricane, that had developed a
week ago off the southwestern area of the North Pacific Ocean,
made its way north, gathering power, until it hit us directly in
the city of No. 6.[/quote]
(Shouldn't it be a Taifun? XD Wikipedia says:
[quote]A typhoon is a mature tropical cyclone that develops in
the western part of the North Pacific Ocean between 180° and
100°E. This region is referred to as the Northwestern Pacific
Basin,[1] and is the most active tropical cyclone basin on
Earth, accounting for almost one-third of the world's annual
tropical cyclones.[/quote]
But well, whatever... it's a tropical storm, Shion also
mentioned it.)
Then, we could also consider Karan's garden...
[quote]My mother preferred small trees over flowers, and through
her enthusiastic planting of almond, camellia and maple trees
all over the place, our yard had grown into a small grove.
[/quote]
Almond
[quote]There are approximately 128 species, most of which are
native to Asia,[4] with a number also appearing in Europe,
northern Africa, and North America.[/quote] -> moderate climate
is ok... but normally they like warmth...
Camellia
They are endemic to Eastern Asia...So the origin is in warm
countries... But there are also types you can plant in a
moderate climate... But I think they also prefer warmth.
Maple Tree
[quote]There are approximately 128 species, most of which are
native to Asia,[4] with a number also appearing in Europe,
northern Africa, and North America.[/quote]
The same thing... o.o
So when you consider a tropical storm and plants who rather like
it warm than too cold, even if a little bit of cold is okay.
(Unless it's not freezing for a very long time...)
[quote]In the centre of the city there was an enormous forest
park that took up more than a sixth of the city's total area. In
it, one could experience the seasonal changes and interact with
the hundreds of species of small animals and insects that
inhabited it.[/quote]
Maybe it's not even thaaaat cold in West Block. I think it's
colder than in No. 6, definitely and Shion isn't used to it. But
even if you don't have freezing temperatures, I think people can
freeze to death when they don't have a place to go and when they
are also starving.
--
[quote]So that's specifically the West Block... ****, I was
hoping Nezumi had indeed spent quite a while with Shion and
Karan. I had the feeling it was about a week, but I checked
beyond again and there's no mention of how long he stayed. Hmm.
Then I'm going with your theory of Nezumi staying for quite a
while, that sounds much nicer. [/quote]
Ah, I also thought it wasn't that long. o.o But well...maybe it
was one month. He had serious injuries after all and I think
Karan has enough maternal feelings to tell him: "No, sunshine,
you will stay here until you're completey ok! And don't tell me
you're okay, I have 16 years of experience being a mother!
*grabs his shoulder*" Nezumi: AHHH Q_Q Okay, Mom...Ma'am!
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: listenforthelove Date: November 2, 2014, 6:30 am
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... reminder to self: get offline after 1 AM. Seriously. DUH OF
COURSE SEPTEMBER IS LATE SUMMER HOW DID I FORGET. Your
forgiveness is appreciated.
@Ahiku: I have no idea what the Japanese said (can't check right
now), but I suspect it was typhoon indeed if only because it's
the Japanese word for a tropical storm, haha. Translator's
choice perhaps? Basically the same thing anyway, just dependent
on region.
Wow, you really went into depth with this with all the trees and
stuff! That's great, and very interesting. All I could figure
out was that I still have no idea where No. 6 is, except that
it's probably not south of the equator (as Rikiga tried to sell
Inukashi -shudder- by mentioning skin like from the southern
lands or something), and maybe not North- or South-America
either because the Man in the Lab Coat spoke about those
distantly (or at least mentioned something about bugs there, but
not 'and here'. Gotta dash, so I'll pull out the novels later to
double-check). So it could very easily still be Japan - Japan
has different climates depending on where you are in the
country, though, so yeah.
And you're right, cold is also relative. If you're raised to
think 15 C is cold, then you'll pick up a winter coat much
sooner than someone who is raised to think -10 C is just peachy,
so to speak, and having no place to stay and hunger definitely
won't help against freezing.
Nezumi definitely had to recover from his wounds, you're right.
GOOD that means he stays longer let's go with that << (I think
your fanfic leaked into my headcanon a bit as I started to
assume accelerated healing powers, but I don't think those are
canon? Not explicitly, anyway. I still have thoughts about
people having some extra powers in No. 6 but that's for another
thread.)
... nezumi slipping up and calling Karan his mother is something
I NEED.
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: Ahiku Date: November 2, 2014, 7:50 am
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LOl XD It's okay... if it's right and they start their spring in
January, September is definitely autumn. ^^
Yeah, I know it's the same thing, but when it's from this
direction it should be a typhoon. XD I guess they also said
Typhoon in the anime.
I also think it's Japan. Somehow, there was a world like our
world in their past. In the anime when Safu visited the art
museum they talked about England.
(But the climatic zone wouldn't fit... since it's green and warm
there. But well...climatic changes... ^^° In the anime No. 5
seems to be warmer than No. 6, because she's wearing summer
clothes, when she's back she's wearing scarf and coat.
But the houses remind me so much of European ones... (Ok, I
can't say that much about other Europen countries, but it
reminded me of a lot of cities in Germany. ^^ Red roofs, very
green...)
[img]
HTML http://ordinaryflair.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/no-6-ep5-safu-in-no5.jpg?w=584&h=329[/img]
For example... this one. (This is a little city in
Germany...Querfurt.)
HTML http://www.ballonreisen-arndt.de/images/home/images/querfurt/DSC05444.jpg
Or Nürnberg...
HTML http://nuernbergluftbild.de/pictures/h0818162.jpg
But it's just in the anime, I guess they never talked that much
about it in the novels. o.o°
As for No. 6 - I think Tokyo would be just fine. When I visited
Tokyo in 2008 it was February. Some days were really warm, some
still pretty cold. (But when you regulate the temperatures it
should be fine XD) We saw green trees and the first snow this
year (there wasn't any in Germany oO in 2008) but there were
also green trees and palm trees and some kind of oranges growing
there... In February. And ume trees started to bloom. (And I
just checked a couple of photos...some trees were green, some
didn't have any leaves ^^°)
And we also had pretty cold days. So yeah... I guess that could
be the right climatic zone, especially when you regulate the
temperatures inside the city. In addition to that, the city is
protected because of the wall. The West Block doesn't have any
protection. You also have an urban heat island. Metropolitan
area are often significantly warmer than its surrounding rural
areas due to human activities.
[quote]And you're right, cold is also relative. If you're raised
to think 15 C is cold, then you'll pick up a winter coat much
sooner than someone who is raised to think -10 C is just peachy,
so to speak, and having no place to stay and hunger definitely
won't help against freezing. [/quote]
Yeah, right. They don't have proper clothes or food... So I
guess even 2-5 degree Celsius would be really troublesome,
especially for toddlers and old people.
[quote]
Nezumi definitely had to recover from his wounds, you're right.
GOOD that means he stays longer let's go with that << (I think
your fanfic leaked into my headcanon a bit as I started to
assume accelerated healing powers, but I don't think those are
canon? Not explicitly, anyway. I still have thoughts about
people having some extra powers in No. 6 but that's for another
thread.)
... nezumi slipping up and calling Karan his mother is something
I NEED.[/quote]
Ah, you mean Forest of Tranquility? o.o Ah yeah, that's totally
not canon. XD Just like Inukashi said... he's just a man. When
you stab him he'll bleed. He's just horribly tough, I mean he
just had a surgery and nearly died, he recovers quickly. But I
think it's just because of his survival instincts. He has no
time to recover, even though his body could need time. [s]Just
like Inukashi and her toe...licking her wounds until they get
better and ignoring it. (Or until she's dead.^^°) [/s]
And this time it wasn't just a graze shot.
I just tried to google how long a "normal" gunshot would take to
heal...
And it seems as if it's not just 1-2 weeks.
HTML https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070807225738AAejqxC
But well, Nezumi's tough. XD But I guess he needed at least 2
weeks to recover. But more is better, so 4 weeks? XD (Ahh, why
didn't he stay... being with Karan and Shion... eating good food
all the time. As long as there's no theatre he can still help
Karan... XD Stupid Nezumi >,<)
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: listenforthelove Date: November 2, 2014, 10:35 am
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Yeah, I guess Japan is the most likely setting for No. 6 to
assume, not only because the novels are originally Japanese but
also for the reasons you stated. Tokyo seems to make the most
sense as well, though I now wonder if there's a real-world
equivalent for the Mao forest, hmm.
Hm, yeah, No. 5 in the anime is interesting... if it seems so
summer-y, it should be below the equator if No. 6 is above and
seems to go through winter at the same time? (that does look
sort of inspired by Sydney in the first cap, actually.) Thanks
so much for your screencapping efforts!
I must confess I've only seen the anime once, so I remember very
little about No. 5 there. I don't think the novels even stated
to which city state Safu moved...
Anyway, I went back and the only names I can find so far
mentioned in the novels are pretty broad, namely Central and
South-America:
[quote]They were documents concerning a species of ants called
Eciton burchelli, which inhabited Central and South
Americas.[/quote]
(volume 3, chapter 5)
As for the rest, some bits about No. 6 itself:
[quote]Was the western town the only place No. 6 had destroyed?
What about the northern mountains, the forests, the grassy
plains that stretched from south to east, the lakes and marshes
that dotted the land from eastern to western edge? Considering
No. 6's geographical area, it was logical to think that it had
enlarged in all four directions, roliferating and expanding...
(...) In the northern mountains, the southern plains, the
eastern marshes.[/quote]
(volume 6, chapter 1)
I don't think a sea is ever mentioned, and Tokyo is relatively
close to the coast, but then again - not like you can really see
the sea from Tokyo.
Oh and Beyond states:
[quote]The label on the bottle indicated that the wine was from
the western-most city of No. 3[/quote]
... which is entirely unhelpful aside from the fact that we now
know No. 3 is most west when seen from No. 6 XD
... wait did I never leave you a review for Forest of
Tranquility
what the heck, self
But yeah that's what I meant XD; oops. Yeah, Nezumi is
surprisingly quick in getting back to his feet near the end, but
I think it's caused by the adrenaline and also the fact that
Nezumi does really seem to have an uncanny ability to tell when
trouble is nearing. He said it himself, and the novels do back
him up there (Inukashi was ****ed Nezumi sensed something first
when they were in the clinic for example).
That being said he should have totally stayed to let his wounds
heal properly and just indefinitely after that << [s]just go on
holidays if you need time to sort yourself out Nezumi don't go
all '~I'm a wanderer you're stationary we can't work out ever~'
sigh. THIRD WAY. Yes I'm being slightly unreasonable here but
dang.[/s]
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: lawlya Date: November 2, 2014, 1:06 pm
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Yeah ... I once read that Japan has usually quite hot summers
and really cold winters too. So it would fit. And considering
the snow - I think if they said the ground was frozen over it
would be cold enough for snow. Doesn't mean it actually had to
snow.
And when Shion and Nezumi talked about summer in West Block,
they said that it's quite hot if I remember that correctly. So
all in all, Japan seems reasonable.
Well, if No.6 is in Japan and No.3 is the most western from
there you could assume that No.3 is in America xD That's an
information! (Cherish all the rare information you get on
locations, really ...)
And yeah, it seems that the ocean is quite distant. I haven't
finished the novels yet but I think Inukashi once mentioned that
Nezumi told stories about the sea and that he was there? So it
shouldn't be too far away? I don't know?
I see, the conversation took the same direction my thoughts had
when I concluded that Nezumi must have stayed quite some time
with Karan and Shion - If you stayed this long, don't leave, you
idiot! Just stay; you were fine for so long ...
[s]Just imagine Shion, having experienced a sort of 'every day
life' with Nezumi and then he's GONE OTL[/s]
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: listenforthelove Date: November 4, 2014, 2:33 pm
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Yeah, it's true - at least Tokyo had a pretty hot summer when I
was there in 2010, and I think that's pretty common climate
there anyway. I usually assume country of story origin if it's
never stated in a story, which seems likely in No. 6's case
indeed. Ah right, Shion did go on and on about spending summer
there and how it'd be too hot to cook inside... And of course
Nezumi had to leave in spring. Golly.
Ah yes! No. 3 is most likely America then, I - think. Though it
really depends on how you look at the world map I suppose, ack.
(I realized very late in life that while Europeans put Europe in
the middle of maps, the USA at least puts the Americas in the
middle. Which makes perfect sense. I just. Never realized that.)
Oh, right, I think Inukashi mentioned something of the sorts
indeed... Whales, wasn't that conversation about whales? Whales
were involved somehow? Hang on.
[quote]Inukashi had neither touched nor seen a whale before. He
didn't even know what the ocean was like. The world that
Inukashi knew was limited to the ruined hotel and its
surroundings. For as long as he could remember, he had lived
within those boundaries.[/quote]
(volume 5)
Ah, that's... not very helpful, Inukashi. XD; So no ocean
directly around the hotel, got it.
Yeah, it really sounds like Nezumi stayed for quite a bit with
Shion and Karan... which makes it all the harsher that he
decided to leave after all. Not a rash decision then. Dang.
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