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Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: listenforthelove Date: October 30, 2014, 7:43 pm
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(please let me know if this should be somewhere else/not a new
thread! otl)
As I set out to reread the novels again for eh, research
([s]totally not crossover background, nope[/s]), I came to the
conclusion I am rather confused about the timeline in No. 6.
Maybe I'm just missing or misreading something, but here's what
I got so far:
- Story starts on September 7, 2013. No arguing over that,
that's clear.
- Next time we see Shion, it's four years later. Probably not to
the day, as he would have mentioned his birthday probably, but
it's reasonable to assume it's around September, and the year is
2017 because 2013 + 4 = 2017, I know that much. (Guide supports
this, but more on that later.)
- At least several weeks pass before Safu is kidnapped. It's
getting winter.
- Here's where I get confused - because it's not stated how much
time passes until the Manhunt, but it seems to be some time.
Days? Weeks? Months?
- At least 3 full days (but not a lot more) seem to pass between
the Manhunt and Holy Celebration Day. The story (or at least the
climax) seems to end on the late evening of Holy Day, unless
those people stood on the plaza for the entire night.
- It is also explicitly mentioned that this is the Holy
Celebration Day of 2017.
- But then - 'Spring was coming. A late spring was starting to
arrive in the West Block.' (9th-ave, volume 9, chapter 1
HTML http://9th-ave.blogspot.ie/2012/09/novel-no-6-vol-9-ch-1-a.html<br
/>- this is moments after Shion and Nezumi have come out through
the garbage chute of the Correctional Facility).
... But if spring is late and at least coming, shouldn't it be
February at the very earliest?
I went to the guide
HTML http://listenforthelove.tumblr.com/post/70081419227/history-of-no-6-from-the-complete-guide-a<br
/>to check, but that's still confusing. It gives two dates:
- September 2017: Safu goes on exchange.
- December 2017: Safu gets kidnapped.
Sounds reasonable; in between those is the point marked 'Shion
and Nezumi meet again, Shion escapes to the West Block', and it
was soon after Safu went on exchange, so September/October
sounds pretty reasonable there too. However, the guide puts the
Manhunt at the same point in time as Safu's kidnapping, and then
Holy Day and the breaking into the Correctional Facility on the
same point together. The latter is more or less true (the caves
don't really count as the CF yet I guess), but with the former,
it would mean Shion and Nezumi barely had any time at all to
prepare, and the time between Safu's 'operations' and Elyurias
hatching would be pretty quick, too. So I'm guessing the guide
isn't super specific to the day here and more of a general
guideline than anything. It, too, explicitly states it's Holy
Celebration Day 2017, however.
So, how much time passed between Safu's kidnapping and the
Manhunt? And how can this Holy Day be for 2017 if spring is
coming? Is it a naming thing, like '2017 is over so that's the
year we celebrate'?
It's very likely I'm overthinking this or plain misread
something, since it's stated to be Holy Celebration Day 2017 as
early as volume 6, chapter 4
HTML http://9th-ave.blogspot.ie/2012/04/novel-no-6-vol-6-ch-4.html
-
a lot of things happen after that, in a very short time span.
Basically a day, unless I've missed something again.
I'm curious. Any thoughts on this? Feel free to correct me on
anything! It surely wouldn't be a first I misread something,
haha ;;
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: Ahiku Date: November 1, 2014, 12:27 pm
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Omg, this is really interesting. o.o° Ah... I always thought
they spent like...half a year together and the Holy Celebration
is in spring, or shortly before spring.
(I mean when Nezumi leaves Shion behind it's definitely spring,
at least in the manga version. So we could also ask... How long
did he stay there? A couple of days? Several weeks? o.o° He had
to recover. And Karan had to wash Nezumi's pants with her super
washing powder... really how was she even able to remove the
blood... Please Karan, give Nezumi one of Shion's pants. Or buy
him another, not so awkward one next time <_<)
Uhm... I think I'm not a big help at all.
I just know when Karan and Yomin meet each other.
[quote]The Holy Celebration was next week. It was a day that
marked the founding of the city. Parties and celebratory events
would be held all over town.
Vol. 3 ch. 2
[/quote]
This is the part when the nurse dies... and Karan is sitting on
the bench talking to that spy granny. So I guess it's shortly
after Safu being kidnapped.
Well, things totally rush then...
I mean... Safu is kidnapped... Nezumi knows it half a day later.
I guess the same or next day he's going to task Inukashi... and
another 1-2 days later, Shion is finding the coat (I guess it
will need a couple of days until it's in the clothing store...
Inukashi has to smuggle it first...)
The same evening Shion kisses him... the next day Nezumi stops
him and they starting their little plan concering Fura. That
evening or the next day ( I dunno how fast Rikiga could arrange
a meeting with Fura...) they know more about the map... And I
think Shion told somewhere that he had learned the map for 3
days (but I'm not sure about it...) ^^°
So we have Safus kidapping (1 day), the next day Inukashi
smuggling the coat, Nezumi talking to her (2 days), the day
after that (or maybe two days after that) Shion finding the coat
and kissing Nezumi (3 days), Nezumi stopping Shion, plan (4
days), Fura (5 days), 3 days left until manhunt... maybe 8 days
after Safu's kidnapping.
Well... but I also don't understand why it's always spring when
it's still December and still 2017. Even if it's something like
New Year's Eve, there are still a several months left until
spring. ^^°
Very confusing.
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: listenforthelove Date: November 1, 2014, 1:03 pm
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Thanks for replying!
I went back to volume 3 and as it turns out, I totally missed
this line:
[quote]"Safu left her store, and Karan had followed shortly
afterwards. What she witnessed was the kidnapping of Safu by
Security Bureau officials. It had already been three days since
then."[/quote]
volume 3, chapter 2
HTML http://9th-ave.blogspot.ie/2011/10/novel-no-6-vol-3-ch-2.html
And you're right, it does say the Holy Celebration is the week
after in that same chapter.
So then there's a week between Safu's kidnapping and the
Manhunt? Which does collide nicely with your timeline. But. A
week.
What. I need to readjust my entire view. XD; (this is good news
for my fanfic though, but still. I thought they had more time in
the West Block together so now I'm sad.)
The spring and 2017 thing still doesn't make sense though...
Unless No. 6 uses years differently or something, which is
theoretically possible (e.g. December would be what we call
February, or the new year starts in March or something), orrrr
that was just a mistake/artistic license for symbolism.
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: Ahiku Date: November 1, 2014, 1:22 pm
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Ah, I think it's a bit more than a week, though, like 8-9
days... because we don't know when Shion found the coat or when
exactly Fura comes to play... But well, if everything is going
fast, then 7 days would be fine too. But 7 days are the minimum.
(Woah... so... there's not that much time between Nezumi and
Shion's kisses, too ^^°)
But even if it's 8 or 9 days, it's still ok... if it's early in
the week, even 10 days would be ok and the celebration would
still be in the next week.
So... the events Shion & Nezumi kissing and Karan sitting on a
bench could happen at the same day. o.o
[quote](this is good news for my fanfic though, but still. I
thought they had more time in the West Block together so now I'm
sad.)[/quote]
Mee too! ;_;
Like I said, I always though they had 1/2 year... Just because
of spring. Meeting in September, parting in Spring. But so...
they had 4 months... But well, they always have 4... ^^°
4 years, 4 month... Nezumi should be back 4 days later. X'D 4
hours after returning they should kiss and 4 seconds later they
one of them should be inside the other one.
That's my personal timeline. ^^
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: listenforthelove Date: November 1, 2014, 1:41 pm
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Yeah, I went with a week because according to my calculations
(not that I trust those entirely, ahem), it's three days between
the Manhunt and Holy Celebration Day. So that would account for
the three extra days between Safu's kidnapping and Karan on the
bench. But yeah... not long. Not long at all.
I am still trying to wrap my head around this, haha. Elyurias
hatching and all happened pretty fast then, too, actually. I
always figured it would take a little longer... well at least
Safu hasn't suffered super long. (I'm still throwing stuff in
anger about her fate, but hey.)
I'm with you on the 6 months: Beyond did say "Nezumi and Shion
had lived together for less than half a year", but that sounds
like it's closer to 5-6 months than 2-3 (or 4 if we're
stretching the dates the guide supplied: September 1 for Safu's
exchange and December 31 for her kidnapping). Like, usually when
someone says 'less than half a year' it means 'almost 6 months
but not the full 6'. Otherwise you'd just say something like 4
months, but that could be just me. (I could look up what it says
in Japanese just to be all super obnoxious and SUPER SURE about
it, so it's going on my list.)
Ahh thanks for replying though, I'd never have noticed that
little marker of 'three days' otherwise. [s](How did I miss that
while I did notice that the Mayor is a total loser with his
custom coffee cup that keeps his coffee always nice and hot?)
[/s]
But yes Nezumi should totally be back after 4 days, epilogue and
beyond be damned. Someone should just drag him back by his
ponytail dang it.
(OK OK I get he needed to leave to work out his issues and
everything but did he really have to walk to half a year's
distance from No. 6. Did he.)
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: lawlya Date: November 1, 2014, 1:45 pm
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I just thought of something for the question why it's spring
when it's December ... Doesn't the Chinese year start somewhere
in February or so? Maybe they don't use the Western calendar but
rather the Chinese? That would work, wouldn't it? And then,
Nezumi and Shion would have had more time in West Block too -
because I think they had six months together too ^^"
Another possibility would be that they really start the New Year
with the Holy Celebration Day. You know since it's the day No.6
was founded after the catastrophe and all it would make sense to
start a new calendar there and arrange the year's around that
day ...
[hr]
I looked it up and according to Wikipedia, the Chinese New Year
would fit perfectly:
[quote]Chinese New Year is an important traditional Chinese
holiday celebrated at the turn of the Chinese calendar. In
China, it is also known as the Spring Festival, the literal
translation of the modern Chinese name.[/quote]
Wikipedia
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_New_Year
It appears it's a bit like Eastern - the date changes constantly
xD Ah, it's because it's lunisolar ...
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: listenforthelove Date: November 1, 2014, 2:10 pm
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@lawlya: Chinese year would definitely work! The only problem
here is that apparently according to the quotes above, there
really are only about a week and a half worth of days between
Safu's kidnapping and the Holy Celebration Day... no matter how
we call the months. So still less time for the boys in the West
Block together.
But your idea is very sound - Japanese (and I'm fairly sure
Chinese and other languages) doesn't name the months like in
English, so December is literally just '12th month'. No. 6's
December could be 'our' February by that reasoning, as long as
it's the 12th month of the year. And then it's like you
suggested, Holy Celebration Day would be the start of their New
Year! So then Holy Celebration Day for spring of 2017 would
definitely be true. (Especially since historically, Japan has
used a lunar calendar like China, so the first month back then
doesn't add up to January now: see also wiki
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_calendar.)
That... still doesn't quite explain how it was described as
autumn when Shion escaped to the West Block and spring when they
came out of the Facility, but okay. XD; Dang it they had six
months together! Six months I say! It's short enough as it is.
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: lawlya Date: November 1, 2014, 3:16 pm
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It's only more confusing that it was winter (I guess it was
because the weather was cold) when they entered the Correctional
Facility but apparently spring when they arrived in No.6. So ...
There's a lot that doesn't add up. And you can get full six
months for them if you just assume that the time between 'Shion
coming to the West Block' and 'Safu being kidnapped' is more
than you originally assumed ... though the guide probably states
a time span, doesn't it? But maybe it wasn't even September when
Shion was kidnapped but rather August? It was warm, wasn't it?
Maybe the end of August ... [s]Though honestly, I always thought
it was already October when he met Nezumi again because I got
the feeling of fall and don't know what gave me that idea at all
...[/s]
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: listenforthelove Date: November 1, 2014, 3:31 pm
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Yeah, it's specifically stated to be winter several times, but
well, they also state spring was late, so... it could happen in
a couple of days, I guess? Nezumi and Shion were mostly
underground or otherwise occupied to really notice the weather
changing.
But no, you're right about fall; it's stated in volume 1 that
the sky is a 'clear blue autumn sky' when Shion is taken by the
bureau officials and thus later on meets Nezumi again.
Plus, I don't want to hammer down 'BUT THE GUIDE SAYS' too much,
but it was written later, so I'd assume it was written looking
back on the series, and Asano is listed as the only author of
the guide, so you know, 'canonically' and all... Anyway, the
guide says (here goes) Safu goes on exchange in September, which
is two days after they find the body in the park; Shion gets
taken the next day, so Safu goes on exchange the day after that.
Whiiich means we can't stretch her kidnapping in December much
further than 4 months total. (assuming September 1 - December
31).
... I'm starting to think 'spring at last' is more symbolic than
anything XD;
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Re: Timeline in No. 6 - help?
By: lawlya Date: November 1, 2014, 5:23 pm
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Okay ... As good as it would fit (September is fall) if there's
so less time from Safu's kidnapping to the Holy Celebration Day
then it's kinda ... odd to have spring in January - and late at
that xD Maybe it's the climate ... it's never stated where No.6
is located and I think the novels say that the climate changed
rapidly after the wars and everything.
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