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Unsourced art...
By: Ahiku Date: October 21, 2014, 1:20 pm
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Well, what could we do about it? Any ideas? :3
I thought that we could build a special force... it's definitely
not something one person can do all alone.
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Re: Unsourced art...
By: lawlya Date: October 21, 2014, 1:53 pm
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I think you're right - it's definitely not something one person
alone should or could do. Unfortunately I severely lack any
ideas ^^"
Unfortunately, I'm rarely in the tags as it is. I just barely
have the time to browse them (the sourcing isn't even the
problem most of the time). So, I don't know but is it possible
to create a blog on tumblr with several people posting on it
(like, everyone who wants to source now and then)? This way we
could share the task to source art effectively since you could
see what was already sourced by 'your' blog.
I found the idea good to ask the people to take down the art if
the artist forbids the reproduction and sourcing art via
reblogging as a link - hindering people to just keep on
reblogging with the source added and encouraging the people who
post those.
I already try to ask artists whether or not I'm allowed to
repost their art on tumblr. I already reblogged some guidelines
from a user how to write a message to japanese artists with a
formal letter you can just reblog and add some minor changes
(like names and such). Maybe we should spread them again?
[s]I'm glad that you chose to do this via the forum, really.
Though we're probably few people here than on tumblr, maybe it's
reaching more people nevertheless.[/s]
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Re: Unsourced art...
By: Ahiku Date: October 21, 2014, 2:14 pm
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@Lawlya: That's a good idea. We should have a shared blog. Even
if we start with just a few of us... it's still better than
nothing. Maybe we can find some more people who want to join
then...
Or ask if people wanna help from time to time.
Everyone should keep an eye on it... maybe we won't be able to
find everything, but when we at least do something against it,
it's just fine.
What about calling the blog: No6fanworkforce or something? XD
Any suggestions?
Oh, when you have guidlines, please post them here... I think
it's better to operate here.
You can also start a new topic... Guidlines and premade text
sources we just need to copy then.
I think it should be simple and maybe even always the same one,
saying: "You should delete this post immediately. Blabla"
Whatever...
And if some people could ask for permission when we find new
fanarts would be nice, too. Maybe there are 1-2 people who want
to do this job.
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Re: Unsourced art...
By: lawlya Date: October 21, 2014, 2:28 pm
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@Ahiku: Wow, thanks xD To be honest - I don't even know how
shared blogs on tumblr work ... Like, do you have to invite
somebody to be an admin or does he just need a password or ...?
Do you know?
And yeah, even if we're just a few; something's getting done and
it's not just one person shouldering all the work.
That's my opinion too. It's too much of a matter to expect to
stop unsourced art all together but so long as the artists are
credited even if it's not the original poster who does it, it's
better than doing nothing.
God, I suck at names >.> Don't ask me; I'm fine with anything,
really xD
Yeah, probably ... Adding the source shouldn't be much of a
problem either but I'm not sure if the original posters on
tumblr like it to be posted again. After all they either
translated it themselves or asked friends.
Wait, if I open up a new topic, should I do it here in the
Conference Room?
That would be a good idea. It would make the matter easier;
you'd just have to add the sources manually and copy and paste
the rest.
Preferably some that know Japanese or Chinese? Or someone who is
confident enough in their talent with Google Translate xD
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Re: Unsourced art...
By: Ahiku Date: October 21, 2014, 3:03 pm
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Ah, that's easy... one of us can just create a new blog... and
then you can invite other people. You can give them
administration rights, too. But I guess for most people it would
be enough when they can write posts for that blog. (And then we
should also reblog it there, if it's already on tumblr...)
Yes, just create a new topic here. I'll make it sticky.
[quote]Adding the source shouldn't be much of a problem either
but I'm not sure if the original posters on tumblr like it to be
posted again. [/quote]
Maybe we could find an easy way out and say that we won't accept
posting art without asking in general. Just to keep it as simple
and easy as possible. I'd would be a hassle when you have to
research everything, to find out if the artist is ok with it or
not. If we see unsourced art it's not ok. To be honest I would
just demand to delete it and post the source of art, no matter
if it's a pixiv or tumblr artist. Because it doesn't matter. And
I think it's futile to do a big research to find the original
post and tell them that they should reblog it directly from the
tumblr artist. I mean they won't do it anyway... <,< But if the
artist is on Tumblr... maybe we could message the artist and
tell them he should contact the support. We can also have a text
source for this where we just need to add the links. Fanmail
should do it... something line: "Hello! Someone reblogged your
fanart. Here's the link... We recommend you to contact
support@tumblr.com"
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Re: Unsourced art...
By: lawlya Date: October 21, 2014, 3:15 pm
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Ah, so you have to invite them. Good to know. Yeah, I thought
about reblogging it there too because it's already there but
maybe not too well known ^^
Okay, I'll try my luck and post the letters there with a source
attached.
I would like that too. I mean, I find it incredibly sad when
artists answer that they don't want their art reposted but I can
understand them as well and respect that. Maybe knowing that
it's gonna be posted to a sourcing No.6 blog would make them
more comfortable.
Okay, I agree with this - delete unsourced art because the
original post can still harm the artist by getting notes. If you
got the permission or the artist states that it's okay to
repost, then make a new post with the source. It's just copy and
pasting from there, really.
I'd like to search for the original tumblr post if possible but
you're probably right. Sadly. And that would be a good way to
approach it. Tell the artist with a link to the post and if the
reposter won't take it down the artist themselve can decide
whether or not to contact the tumblr staff.
Okay, I'm off creating the new topic now. [s]Let's see if I
succeed xD[/s]
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Re: Unsourced art...
By: Ahiku Date: October 21, 2014, 3:47 pm
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Ok, thank you :3 I think we can also post the link to source
webpages there and our premade texts, to keep everything in one
post/thread.
IDEAS:
- shared blog
Who wants to open it?
How should we call it?
Who wants to participate?
If we are several people, should we arrange duties? (For example
one is doing the NezuShi tag, the other one the Shion tag etc.)
- just one note to keep things simple
Who can write a good note?
Since most people tend to ignore these kind of posts, anyway, we
should keep it as simple as possible, I guess just telling them
that they should delete it, that they'll harm the artist and the
fandom and the actual souce will be fine.
- artist message, if the artist has a tumblr account
Anyone who wants to write it?
Also premade, so just copy and paste the link of your sourcing
post. Something like: ""Hello! Another Tumblr user reposted your
fanart. You can find the linke here: xxx If you want to remove
it, we recommend you to contact the support team.
(support@tumblr.com)"
Any other ideas? Wishes? Opinions? :3
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Re: Unsourced art...
By: Ahiku Date: October 21, 2014, 3:53 pm
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Ah, thank you Lawl :3
That's great. I think it's really better to have it here in the
forum, since you'll lose sight of it when you just have it on
tumblr.
Oh... so if there's anyone who wants to ask other artists...
that would be great.
@Lawl we should also check out Animexx. Maybe there are some
nice fanarts we could share... or maybe even some other people
who are using Tumblr. :3
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Re: Unsourced art...
By: lawlya Date: October 21, 2014, 4:32 pm
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- shared blog
Well, since you know how to do it ... I'd say you open it up.
I like the idea of duties. The first one's being covered should
probably be the 'No.6'- and 'No. 6'-tags. Then 'NezuShi' and
then the character tags. Maybe you'd even want to assign more
than just one person to the main tags.
- just one note to keep things simple
How about something like this:
"Since you posted this art without a source, we kindly ask of
you to delete this and ask the artist for permission to repost.
Unsourced art shared without consent will harm the artist and
ultimatively hurt the fandom too. The source of this art is:
Pixiv ID: [Link]
Artist: [Link]"
This way you can just copy the Saucenao information to the end
of the text.
- artist message, if the artist has a tumblr account
That's already enough I think. Maybe adding something like
"We/I'd (are we a collective conscience or not xD) like to
inform you that ..." to make it sound more friendly ^^
[hr]
So, you'd like to make a post linking to the forum on the blog?
To make it easier?
@Ahiku: Yeah, you're right. We should totally do that xD I
believe I once was in the fanart tag >.> Don't remember much
though xD
Oh, and to everyone else who may read this: Please don't
hesistate to speak up :) Me and Ahiku apparently just have too
much freetime and are babbling too much xD I figured that a
decent amount of posts that were already made might scare away
some of you so I thought I'd might as well invite you - don't
mind me too much ...
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Re: Unsourced art...
By: Ahiku Date: October 21, 2014, 4:56 pm
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[quote]Oh, and to everyone else who may read this: Please don't
hesistate to speak up :) Me and Ahiku apparently just have too
much freetime and are babbling too much xD I figured that a
decent amount of posts that were already made might scare away
some of you so I thought I'd might as well invite you - don't
mind me too much ...[/quote]
Yes, please join us. ^^
[quote]So, you'd like to make a post linking to the forum on the
blog? To make it easier?[/quote]
Will do. But I think I'll do this when we've already some stuff
done. I think it's better to show them that we really mean it.
XD And not only saying we are planning on something. They can
still join then... When someone want to join the force that
person will get our important post. Even if that person doesn't
want to be in the forum. ^^ I mean that's also possible. But
somehow I don't think that many people want to do this kind of
stuff.
Oh yeah, I like your text... if the others are ok with it, I
think we can use it. Sounds good.
We also need a blog theme then. XD Someone who wants to do that?
Ok, if no one else wants to create the blog, I'll do it
tomorrow. And now, we should our friends give a chance to answer
here as well. ^^
Ah...and of course we are "WE" XD (Ok, I'm used to use we, since
I always have to do this when I have to work e-mail stuff...)
but it shows solidarity and that we're a team and no lone wolfs.
We could also call our blog No.6union or so... XD
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