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Re: Random NO6 talks
DIR By: lawlya
Date: September 20, 2015, 5:35 am
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I stumble over the wording "had been separated" ... maybe it
wasn't his choice either? Like it's really weird to say it like
that if he left. She could have said he left o.o
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Re: Random NO6 talks
DIR By: Ahiku
Date: September 20, 2015, 6:53 am
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There's no "been" o.o
--- Quote ---
> But they had separated.
--- End Quote ---
Could also be by their own choice then.
Well, Karan tells more about it in "Shion's days".
--- Quote ---
> "Maybe you're right. That might have been an indirect reason.
I was young and I wanted him to stop being ridiculous. But ever
since he found out that Shion was on the way, he changed a
little. All his attention was on the unborn baby, and he even
stopped drinking and playing around with women, if only for a
short while... he picked up drinking again not long after. But I
felt like if he kept on being like this, maybe he would turn
into a decent family man. Inside, I was proud. That's why I know
he didn't leave the family because of a woman... he had another
reason..."
--- End Quote ---
So, he really did care for Shion.
--- Quote ---
> "He was overwhelmed by the fact that No. 6 was
gradually―no, actually, quite quickly―morphing as it
developed its city structure. He was apprehensive, but he had no
idea what he could do about it. Maybe he was afraid. I remember
hearing him say over and over to himself, 'This isn't possible.
This can't be happening.' Then, one day... it hadn't even been a
month since Shion was born... he said to me, 'Let's leave No. 6.
We can still escape now. But soon, we won't be able to leave
unscathed from this city.' His face was so grave when he said
it. He must have given up on No. 6 altogether by that time. He
probably thought, 'I can't live here anymore. One day I'll
suffocate, and end up taking my own life, or get killed if I
don't.' That's why he tried to convince me to escape somewhere
far away from No. 6, and start a new life in a strange land,
just the three of us."
--- End Quote ---
He had a sharp mind, he had smelled that there was something
wrong with No. 6 very early. So yeah... you can think whatever
you want then. X'D Somehow they "have been separated", since he
was afraid of getting killed. He wanted Karan to come along with
him, but otherwise, he didn't try hard enough and just left them
behind, where they are probably supposed to die? X'D Ehhh, very
nice.
And even though he was loyal during Karan's pregnancy, he didn't
change at all. I really don't know what to think about that guy.
X'D
I still think Nezumi should kick him in the nuts.
Ah, but also interesting:
We know that Shion's father was chosen to be a member of the
revival project team.
--- Quote ---
> So Karan's acquaintance with the core members of No. 6 had not
been through Rou. And his father, as a member, colleague, and
holder of the same ideals in his heart, had spent his younger
days alongside the mayor and those scientists.
--- End Quote ---
Karan knows Rou, Shion's father knows Rou as well...so it could
be that she knew the mayor as well.
I wonder if the mayor noticed that Shion is the son of Karan and
the nameless father.
That also means when Nezumi lived in the cave, a man who knew
Shion's parents and who was a childhood friend of Shion's mother
was Nezumi's godfather. o.o Rou taught Nezumi a lot. Wouldn't it
be funny if he also had told him stories about a pretty girl he
knew when he was still young? X'D
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Re: Random NO6 talks
DIR By: kare_reiko
Date: September 28, 2015, 4:49 am
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Maybe Shion's father find out what NO.6 were planing
(experiments, wanting to get rid off Forest People just to build
airport, etc), that's why he wanted to leave NO.6. Since Karan
didn't want to leave with him, he took that as rejection, that
she abounded him.
Maybe he picked that name because he knew that Karan loved wild
flowers? Maybe he choose that name to show her how much he cared
for both of them.
Myself I don't think if any of that would change my image of
him. From my own experience I know that drinking father is not
good thing and Shion's father kept cheating on Karan who was
really wonderful woman. End he even tried to hit/flirt with
Nezumi... His image from Beyond isn't good one. I feel that if
ever Asano-san would write continuation of NO.6, Shion's father
would be main antagonist.
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Re: Random NO6 talks
DIR By: Meopat
Date: September 28, 2015, 10:27 am
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omg. I was thinking about Shionpapa the other day too.
I think he's just a really irresponsible person; Hence, being
able to date / get married and still flirt around, leaving his
wife and kid behind, wanting to buy the No.6 leadership just to
mess it up.
(makes you wonder why he was ever chosen for office... but is it
possible he wasn't like this before? or did political office
only show his true nature?... after all, he says:
--- Quote ---
> Anyone who stands at the top of a state will change. If he
doesn't change, he'll be destroyed.
--- End Quote ---
That was what he'd told Nezumi about what might happen to Shion,
now that Shion's in charge of the committee, but what if he'd
been talking about himself? He was also at the top of a state
once, so isn't it likely that it changed him? (still doesn't
excuse his actions tho)
[quote="Karan"]I was young and I wanted him to stop being
ridiculous. But ever since he found out that Shion was on the
way, he changed a little. All his attention was on the unborn
baby, and he even stopped drinking and playing around with
women, if only for a short while... he picked up drinking again
not long after.[/quote]
This quote makes me think that Shionpapa did try to stop
drinking for Karan and Shion, but since he was still in
political office then, maybe it got too hard for him to mentally
cope?
Suppose if Rou and Shionpapa had been close friends (and I can't
imagine that they're not, considering Rou and Karan are
childhood friends and Shionpapa and Rou work together. They must
at least be acquainted and on good terms), then he would've seen
Rou being slowly consumed by Elyurias and chasing after power
and glory. and maybe the stress and realization of what
Man-in-Labcoat and Fennec intended to do that he panicked and
started drinking again. It's not really something you can share
with your family about a political struggle...
(of course, this is so much speculation. when did Rou meet
Elyurias anyway? We know the forest was burnt down four years
after Shion's birth - assuming Nez and Shion are the same age)
... I'm too lazy to check the novel right now, but if you look
here
HTML http://listenforthelove.tumblr.com/tagged/no.+6+guide+translation/page/3<br
/> at the lovely timeline Miz made, it pretty much shows that
Shionpapa was right on the money, if you assume he leaves before
Oct 7th, 2001 ("I had a baby that wasn't even a month old yet.")
*_* This is so interesting.
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Re: Random NO6 talks
DIR By: kare_reiko
Date: December 5, 2015, 3:03 pm
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Wow, I turn on tumblr now and I saw extra pages from limiter
version of NO.6 manga and saw this page:
HTML https://40.media.tumblr.com/e6b7a57305f36e65e055e35237d5db6a/tumblr_nqi1fjCpbX1u1m3i1o5_1280.jpg<br
/>
I still wait for release of 6th volume here so I no yet saw this
page. I'ts look amazing, it's one of my favourite scene and I
knew that it wasn't in manga.
It's nice because it show how big was Safu's heart and that even
she knew that Shion love Nezumi, (I think Nezumi was only one
who couldn't agree that Shion loved him... but it's different
story).
Something was on my mind since I read Kino's talks about how
he/she wanted to draw more scenes from NO.6.
I wonder why not?
Why he/she had to rush and draw story from novel in such pace? I
don't think they would cancel manga if sometimes artist would
slow down and draw more scenes from light novel. Fans would be
more happy and I think story wouldn't be drew in first place if
it didn't have already some fans.
The same for anime, why so rush, why not make 24 episodes,
that's two seasons, the last volume of novel wasn't made so it
makes more sense to make first season (12 episodes) and before
next season story would be finished and they could show rest of
light novel...
But well. Japan adaptations are strange and I never can
understood them (most of my fav mangas have screwed adaptations
I just have but luck for this XD)
So what you think about this?
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Re: Random NO6 talks
DIR By: listenforthelove
Date: December 5, 2015, 4:33 pm
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@kare_reiko: I think Kino just had to make choices here and
there - you can't possibly use every single scene from the novel
if you're adapting it into another medium, no matter how much
you want to. The pacing would get really choppy for one thing,
and some things (like extensive monologues and dialogues, which
No. 6 has plenty of) just work way better in a novel than in a
comic/anime. And she wasn't given complete freedom either, I
doubt it - there's always editors and stuff who supervise and
tell you to cut certain things. That's needed, because you
develop blind spots for your own work. I think Kino mentioned
with some of those pages that she was asked to cut them,
actually, so that definitely plays a role. Every writer and
creator has to make sacrifices in order to make the story work.
It's also entirely possible Kino was given a limited amount of
chapters from the get-go, so she had to scrap certain events
right from the start to make it all fit, but I don't know about
that.
As for the anime... I have no idea. The last volume of the light
novels was published as the anime was running, true, but they
definitely consulted Asano about the ending before writing it,
so I have no idea why they made the choices they did. Part of it
is probably interpretation by the anime staff. They emphasized
other things than the novels did, and as a result cut out and
expanded on different scenes. I don't think No. 6 had a huge
budget, so that accounts for the limited amount of episodes,
but... I have no idea on why they made some choices, I assume
they had to know from the beginning they had only 11 episodes to
work with. Why expand episode 1 so much that there's one entire
episode dedicated to Shion and Nezumi as twelve year olds,
adding events that were later referred to in new scenes they had
to add for that purpose (like the sweater)? Why dedicate so much
time to Safu's time abroad and then - do that to her character
in the end? Why move Rou and his people out of the caves
underneath the Facility?
I have so many questions.
Mostly though from what I've seen (not that I'm such an expert),
Japanese anime get made while the manga is still running in
order to cash in on the success of the manga. In many cases, the
anime then overtakes the manga and has to come up with its own
storylines - sometimes that works, sometimes it just... doesn't.
And other times they take it easier and they stay faithful to
the manga as it runs side by side, or the anime gets made once
the manga is done. It's definitely a market thing, though. 'This
manga is popular right now, let's cash in by making it into an
anime!' Or 'This genre/story does well, let's make something
almost exactly like it!' I mean, it'd be great if the main goal
of an anime was 'let's make a faithful adaptation of this
manga/novel and make the fans happy', but it's usually also a
money thing. Making a pre-existing series into an anime means
you have a guaranteed audience for at least the first couple of
episodes, regardless of faithfulness or quality. It's not just a
Japan thing - just look at the amount of adaptations Hollywood
has been producing since pretty much the very beginning, for
example. It's way easier to sell something people are already
familiar with than something entirely new.
I don't have any insider information though so I'm just -
rambling off what I think might be the case ^^;;;
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Re: Random NO6 talks
DIR By: Ahiku
Date: December 6, 2015, 9:02 am
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I totally agree with you, Miz. o.o
Even though we can't say for sure why they changed everything in
the anime or "rushed" the manga, I'm also fairly sure that the
main reason is budget issues.
He who has the gold, makes the rules, right?
As for the manga, I also think it's a question of time and
limited pages. Hinoki Kino began serialization in the March 2011
issue of ARIA... Aria is a monthly magazine, so the artists have
some more pages than for weekly ones, but I think it also
depends a bit of the popularity of the manga... o.o Magazins
usually have polls, but I don't know if Aria is like that as
well... but yeah, depending on the popularity, you get more
pages...or color pages. ^^ Or if something very important is
happening, you also get color pages and maybe even the cover.
Each artist also has an editor, who also makes decisions in
regard to pages...
They talk about each step. The first thing is the storyboard...
then sketches... so the mangaka has to redo a lot of things,
change the ankle of the "camera", or they decide if they don't
need certain pages or not... I bet before they stalk they talk
about which scenes they are going to draw in the first place...
It's not Hinoki Kino's fault. :3 I bet she'd love to draw more
and longer chapters, but yeah...I mean she said it herself.
I really think she didn't have much of a say... I mean just look
at the characters. That's the anime design (but in her own
style... but yeah, Shion's scar... Nezumi's ponytail and his
clothes... That's toi8's design, not Hinoki Kino's... otherwise
I bet it would be much closer to the novel and Nezumi would have
shorter hair.
The anime also started it 2011... I wish they had waited a
little longer... (Why didn't they wait a little until the manga
was more popular... but I could imagine it's because Hinoki Kino
was more or less a newbie back then... I don't think she was
very famous when she started to draw the series.
But yeah, I also don't get why they decided to change so many
things and why they made up so many scenes, especially with
Safu. I mean it's nice that we could see more of Safu's life in
No. 5, but yeah...I really don't get it. ^^° They made up scenes
and left out other important scenes... you can't even say it's a
summarize of the novel, because it's so different.
It's actually a bit sad, because I think it could have been much
better.
Ah btw... even the last volume of the novel was rushed.
#Post#: 6072--------------------------------------------------
Re: Random NO6 talks
DIR By: kare_reiko
Date: December 6, 2015, 11:38 am
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Yeah I get it, I draw myself so I know it's take a time, but
from those few pages in sketch version from limited ver of
volumes, those pages are pretty much finished, only inking and
toning left (well maybe they were made later) but still page
like this one with Safu, it's only one page, only one pages was
need to shot this great scene from light novel. I wish that
pages like this wasn't cut out from manga.
Well it's still lucky since manga show NO6 story pretty good.
As anime, it's cut too much for me to say something. I don't let
my fiance to watch anime before he reads manga. When he asked
today if Nezumi's mother was shown in anime... I said not, "only
in manga we see her (but not her face), in anime she wasn't
shown, even Nezumi's gran wasn't there... Not torture scene, no
this not that..." and when I think about it then I don't know if
anime show 20% of Light Novel story.
It had beautiful backgrounds, movement of characters, voices
were amazing... There are few scenes that are amazing, but only
that, some scenes that make you feel happy that were animated
from LN/manga. And that's all in my opinion.
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Re: Random NO6 talks
DIR By: Weisel
Date: December 6, 2015, 4:11 pm
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If we want to get specific, I think the anime had the entire
first episode set when they were twelve for good reason. It
showed just how easy yet mundane Shion's life had been, and then
established the relationship between Nezumi and Shion as well as
showing just how profound this all was to Shion. It also gave an
intro to the setting, like how there's six cities, yadda yadda
yadda... I think it also did a decent job of showing that Shion
wasn't really content to begin with. It didn't have his "destroy
everything" bit, but he still wasn't paying attention in class,
looked a bit unhappy when Safu's grandmother went on about No.6
doing everything for them so they had nothing to ever worry
about, and he made his comment about the Moondrop being a
"blister on the earth." Of course it was questionable to
dedicate an entire episode on that when they only had eleven
episodes to work with in the first place. Maybe they could have
worked it into the first half of an episode. Still, I think it
did a good job of introducing the setting and Shion's life
inside No.6 pretty well so the audience would have that part of
the story to think back on later when we see the West Block and
all of Shion's growth while facing hardships. I think it was
important to emphasize the stark difference when no one watching
the anime has had a life like Shion's. He's a pampered prince!
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Re: Random NO6 talks
DIR By: Ahiku
Date: December 7, 2015, 2:53 am
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Hm...he might be a pampered prince, but actually...I don't think
that his childhood was super great either.
Shion never really had the possibility to enjoy his life the way
he wanted to.
He was just two when he joined the gifted course and I bet it
was not his own choice. ^^°
Shion and Karan were both completely bored in Chronos...
And look at Shion's room. It rather looks like a bureau, just
with a cocoa machine instead of a coffee machine. (I wouldn't
even be surprised if Shion were a coffee addict with not even 8
years XD) Shion's room is not a proper room for a kid. He
doesn't seem to have personal stuff, apart from good quality
clothes and his first aid kid with syringes, needle and treat
and antibiotics, which are usually only available by
prescription. ^^° Great toys for a 12-year-old kid. If he wants
to commit suicide, he just needs to take all his pills or inject
air into his veins. <.<
Besides, he was never really safe. It's just an illusion. We
don't know when he got that injection with Elyurias's egg
inside, that kid was a ticking time bomb. I'm pretty sure, he
was chosen to be a specimen, because of his gender and IQ.
He just didn't know that the city patted his head with the one
hand and prepared itself to stab his back with the other one.
^^°
However, it's true that the first episode showed us that Shion
lived an Utopian life and it leaves us as stupid as Shion, since
we don't know what we will truly find behind that beautiful
facade.
But instead of explaining stuff in the last episodes, they just
let us die more or less stupid. ^^° I mean, when you just watch
the anime, we know nothing at all...
It was just not enough time for everything, so it's really
questionable that they dedicated the entire episode to just one
chapter in the novels and even invented additional scenes, for
example that awkward birthday party to get the sweater item for
later use...
The manga handled it much shorter and I think that you can also
see the difference and Shion's thoughts about the city quite
well.
I mean, the anime is not completely bad. ^^° I really enjoyed
it back then and started to love the series thanks to it, but
it's kinda disappointing when you know the novels and manga.
PS: When you dedicate an entire episode to their children forms,
they should also be voiced by young boys or women, if you ask
me. X'D I don't know how they pay voice actors in Japan, so I
can't tell for sure if it would be more expensive... But Kaji
and Hosoya would get a little less payment and the kids/women
would get their charge for the first episode instead... So it
shouldn't make a bit difference and should still be in their
budget. ^^°
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