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Abroad Studies
By: AoYokai Date: July 29, 2015, 9:05 am
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Hello! Been a while! Sorry bout that.
The other day I showed a friend of mine No. 6 and he asked me
something I couldn't answer so I wanted to bring it here to
discuss. Why is going to study abroad a thing in No. 6? It kinda
seems to be the opposite of everything No. 6 stands for. I mean,
No.6 is the greatest city of them all, why would they feel like
education elsewhere would be better? And even if it's just for
the experience of being someplace else, why would No. 6
encourage that? Could it be a part of Babylon treaty?
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Re: Abroad Studies
By: listenforthelove Date: July 29, 2015, 10:18 am
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@AoYokai: Great to see you around again! How've you been?
... Actually that is a very good point. Wasn't it implied that
studying abroad was what let Safu see how closed up No. 6 really
was? Hm. It would make sense if it was part of the Babylon
Treaty and No. 6 is just going along with it in order not to
seem suspicious. If all the other cities have exchanges to share
knowledge and what not and this one city refuses, they might
wonder what else it might refuse.
Then again, it could be a recent thing or even an experiment.
No. 6 is still really young when the story starts, and I wonder
how long the school system as Shion and Safu experience it has
been in place anyway. I also wonder why No. 6 has an airport to
begin with (and to the public at least, took down the Mao forest
just to build that airport, so it was apparently important to
get one). No. 6 isn't that big that you'd need a plane to
navigate it. Any trips would logically be going abroad. (And
that raises tons of new questions about how safe it is to travel
in this post-apocalyptic world, and what you can see from the
plane if the skies are clear. Beyond mentions how not the whole
world is dead, surely you'd be able to see that at some point
from the plane? But okay, I'm already going off-topic now.)
On the other hand, it could be truly as simple as 'making the
future elites get as much information and knowledge as possible
so we can have all intelligence together'. No. 6 is the most
advanced of the six remaining cities, and if it can find a way
to make its elites absorb the knowledge that the other cities
have, it'd be all-round and self-sufficient and it could close
its borders for good. I mean, just because No. 6 is the most
advanced doesn't mean the other cities have nothing to offer.
Maybe they're just betting on it that they've brainwashed their
future elites enough not to let any ~open minded~ education
abroad get through them.
Iirc, the goal of the Babylon treaty was also to share
knowledge, but now I'm heavily starting to doubt myself... it
was definitely to make peace agreements though. But if all
cities are open about their own developments, they can also keep
each other in check in case one develops new techniques that
could be used in war. And being open was part of the treaty, I
think?
Note to self: reread, for real, before you spout more nonsense.
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Re: Abroad Studies
By: AoYokai Date: July 29, 2015, 8:50 pm
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hey @listenforthelove :D I'm fine a little tired from doing
nothing I should be back on my feet soon lol
Yeah, that was what I had in mind when thinking about the
Babylon Treaty as a motive..
The experiment thing also makes sense, but yeah the airport
doesn't make sense either now that we talk about it wow. Also I
really like that thing about how dangerous it might be to
navigate... mmmm but then imagine Nezumi /walking/ there?
lol I love how No. 6 has so little faith in its on elites like
'yeah you won't get suspicious at all pffft'. I can't see No. 6
acknowledging other sources of knowledge, though.
Well my personal theory is that the other cities are just as bad
as No. 6 just not as strong so technically it shouldn't open
their minds but whatever it's just the way I want it so it fits
my fic tbh. Also No. 6 respecting the Babylon Treaty? ;)
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Re: Abroad Studies
By: Ghosty Date: July 29, 2015, 10:50 pm
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that's a really good point... I guess what would make the most
sense would be so that the other cities don't get suspicious?
no. 6 may make a priority of keeping out "bad" information, but
they also make a large priority out of keeping what they're
doing under the radar, and blocking all contact with other
cities is a bit of a red flag.
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Re: Abroad Studies
By: lawlya Date: July 30, 2015, 4:52 am
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Furthermore (and this is based on my lousy memory here) it
seemed to be an exception to be granted studying abroad? I
highly support the theory that No.6 may "spy" on the development
of the other cities but they probably wouldn't send citizens of
theirs who they doubt in any way. Safu was an elite and she got
really good scores in all the test they made them go through
while attending the education system (and I doubt it ended when
they were twelve; I could imagine they keep track of the
psychological development of their elites at least once a year
or biyearly).
So, maybe she was deemed save to study abroad?
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Re: Abroad Studies
By: kare_reiko Date: July 30, 2015, 5:20 am
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I rather think that letting elite study aboard was possible
because NO.6 wanted to keep their pretty facade. If they don't
let people out and in on some level they would start to look
suspicious.
Maybe sending elites looked most save. They had hight standard
of living from childhood. They were used to treating like kings
in NO.6. It was low chance that such people betray or start
revolution after their return. (If other cities were really not
so advanced as NO.6). They would be like, "Oh we have better in
NO.6".
I don't think they would send anyone who they think is not 100%
loyal to city.
About airplanes. I think it's more save to get to some places by
airplane then for example a car. With car in dangerous world you
can get robbed, killed while breaks, run out fuel (I don't think
you can find fuel station so easy in destroyed world when we see
in beyond people used again horses outside cities).
If weapon is hard to get then shooting down plane would be hard
and useless for ones who would like to do that. They wouldn't
gain anything. So air transportations seems most save and fast.
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Re: Abroad Studies
By: AoYokai Date: July 31, 2015, 7:26 am
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@Ghosty yeah you're right it is kind of alarming to just cut off
all contact with other cities, as much as it is in 'No. 6's
character' haha
@lawlya yeah you're right. i don't remember about the novel but
in the anime Safu said she was 'accepted', like it was really
hard to get an opportunity to study abroad. [s]she had to go
through assassin training I can't take that AC au out of my head
^^"[/s] Yeah that would probably be one of the factors they'd be
testing before sending people away. But she did realize so No.
6 failed to analyze properly Safu? I think that what made Safu
realize the nature of No. 6 wasn't necessarily the 'going away'
part but the returning to a dead grandmother and missing
Shion... That would make more sense with that?
@kare_reiko I think they could always say nobody wanted to leave
in the first place? I mean the put masks that make people look
as if they are smiling on dead people saying that /everyone/
wants to stay is much easier haha but then they would still need
to communicate somehow and I can't see them letting students
/in/ so might as well send them out lol
Yeah you're right there are less people like Yoming in high
levels, so elites would look very good since they won't
complain.
(I say a lot of 'yeah you're right' or just 'yeah' whatever)
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Re: Abroad Studies
By: lawlya Date: July 31, 2015, 8:04 am
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Yeah, I think you might be right about Safu only realizing
something's wrong with No.6 because of Shion's arrest.
When talking about that something that always comes to my mind
is her scene with Shion in the forest park. You know, Shion
complaining about it being artificial and Safu responding she
doesn't mind because it's still beautiful? Same could go with
No.6. She didn't mind as much as long as it didn't affect her.
She complained about that random control when she went home with
Shion but maybe only because it affected her directly in that
moment (or rather Shion since they tried to separate them if I
recall correctly).
So, yeah. Makes sense. Would explain why No.6 deemed her safe
too. They never were quite good at judging people's actions when
it comes to emotional matters.
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Re: Abroad Studies
By: AoYokai Date: August 4, 2015, 8:29 am
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Yeah that scene is one of the strongest in the novel... It's
funny because Safu's job was to be doing that whole
'understanding people' for them lol
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