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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Vox Date: March 24, 2015, 12:49 pm
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For me as a native English speaker and language/psychology nut,
this is totally fascinating. It's like you guys are saying that
for you, English is almost the natural language of sex or
erotica, even though it's not your first language and it's
harder for you to use/understand in every other context. Maybe
I'm reading into that too much but that's what I'm hearing. I
should do a study about it XD
I guess, because the words have fewer cultural connotations for
you, it's easier for you to project your own notions of sex onto
them? Maybe?
I'm... gonna stop nerding out now XD
I like French smut because I love French in general, lol. I
think it sounds much more beautiful than English in just about
every context. Plus I like that you can use "sexe" for genitals.
That probably sounds weird XD
[member=1]Yuneyn[/member] yeah I haven't read any more No. 6
fics in French in a long time, lol. I have done a little better
with the NGE fandom. (Kawoshin ;A;)
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Yuneyn Date: March 24, 2015, 12:58 pm
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For me this is not only limited to smut. I used to read fics in
French when I was 16 because the internet was starting and I
didn't follow many English sites. But as of now I would
absolutely be unable to read a fic in French. Something would
seem off, smut or not.
But I may not be a good specimen for this kind of study lol- I
live through the day in English. My phone, laptop, video games,
I set everything to English. I read books in English, I talk to
myself in English, and sometimes I mix up words when I speak
French (my husband never misses an opportunity to make fun of me
ahem)
So... I don't know. But this is an interesting topic maybe we
should split this one to another place? (I'm on my phone in the
car so I can't do much - I'm actually impressed that I managed
to write this much without getting p*ssed at the phone keyboard
lol)
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: lawlya Date: March 24, 2015, 1:17 pm
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@Vox: I think that's actually pretty true. At least for me. It's
not like I didn't read smut in German before (I did before I
started reading English fanfiction) but I got to know the words
used in smut through English fanfiction so I naturally associate
the words with those connotations.
Yes, do a study about that. Good idea.
*nodding along* Yep, I think so too :)
Luckily, I can still read fanfictions in German though it's a
really ... odd feeling xD But yeah, English is pretty much my
fanfiction language. Though I always liked how English sounds
anyway. It's my favorite language I think ^^
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: AoYokai Date: March 24, 2015, 1:43 pm
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Fun fact: Hebrew has about 3 different words to describe men
with big balls. All three are fairly old, tho, so they aren't
used anymore.
Fun fact #2: Don't translate 'I know this person' literally if
you ever attempt to speak Hebrew. The correct translation is
'I'm acquainted with that person', using 'know' would mean you
slept with them.
There are very little fics written in my language and they're
all in fandoms I don't like too much so I don't need to deal
with these problems ^^
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Kai Date: June 29, 2015, 1:06 pm
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I did not know what to expect when I started reading this
thread, but I like how you actually included the language thing.
I'm fairly native to German like Ahiku (my dialect is just weird
enough that many Germans don't understand) but I didn't quite
experience it the same way. Actually, to me it depends a lot
what language I started a story with or which language I'm used
from watching/reading the canon.
And that includes the smut. If I'm used to think of a story in
German, I'm fine with fanfictions in German, but it sounds all
wrong to me if they are English in my head.
... basically though, I find most German things awkward because
the internet just offers way more information/subs in English.
(I prefer watching anime in Japanese with subs. I rarely like
any dubs be they English or German...)
Smut in general though... I don't read much, I don't like most
words in either language and most stories just are too vulgar
for my taste it kind of robs the flow of a story... to me at
least. The smut stories I like are (to me, again) somewhat like
pieces of art, because they manage to balance getting the point
across without verbally over-painting the scene and yet...
barely use any of the very graphic descriptions.
It's what I try to do when I get to write smut in an RP.
(Which... I don't think I've ever done officially.)
And on a completely different approach on the story. Good smut
(personal opinion, though) always involves a couple that is of
more or less equal importance. I don't like the whole seme/uke
thing. One being timid and shy and the other one strong. I
just... like healthy relationships opposed to destructive ones.
I'm not saying that a healthy one can't have problems or
trouble. But with the seme/uke thing... one is always dependent
on the other in some way and the give and take just doesn't seem
balanced. But that may be just me.
It's why I like Shion and Nezumi though, it may seem at first
that Nezumi is the stronger one and handles all, but Shion gives
back so much. And he wants to be Nezumi's equal too, not just
the little duckling needing/wanting all the help.
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Ghosty Date: June 29, 2015, 5:40 pm
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@Kai I really understand where you're coming from on the
seme/uke thing. I've seen a lot of nezushi fanfictions try and
use that kind of relationship with them, even though that's the
exact opposite of what they are. Not to say their relationship
is perfect, but they certainly aren't the time to take the
seme/uke kind of relationship to any part of their life.
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: lawlya Date: June 30, 2015, 12:32 am
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I distanced myself from this stereotype before even getting into
No.6 but even so, I never felt it quite fitting for these two
either way. They're just too ... codependent? None of the two is
particularly in charge of their feelings or passion or composed
enough to fit into those roles (with all the leading vs. being
led stuff going on there). The only difference would probably be
in experience - and even that's open for debate!
And Shion's just too active and straightforward to fit the
stereotype xD Him laying back and letting Nezumi do all the
work? With his adorable admiration and love for him? NEVER!
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Ahiku Date: June 30, 2015, 7:11 am
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[quote]And Shion's just too active and straightforward to fit
the stereotype xD Him laying back and letting Nezumi do all the
work? With his adorable admiration and love for him?
NEVER![/quote]
Yeah, I think so, too. XD He was the first one who kissed
Nezumi, after all. I have to say it really surprised me in the
anime, because you automatically think about that seme/uke
cliche when you watch the anime. ^^° Ok, it also surprised me
because I didn't know that there are BL elements in this story,
since it was just tagged as sci-fi. X'D But normally, you'd
think Nezumi is the one who has to kiss him first, but this is a
stupid way of thinking. <_< I'm glad Shion kissed him and that
he wants to be equal.
Their equality is one of the main reasons why I love this series
so much. ^^ I'm super sick of yaoi and other BL stories and it's
super rare that you find really good ones.
Ah, I also think Nezumi would rather freak out when they have
their first time, because... OMG too many feelings and we all
know he's always scared when it comes to Shion. Even if he'd be
the active part because he want to be the one in control of
everything, I think Shion would guide him, he would take him by
the hand and try to still his fears. Ok, this is just my
headcanon, but I think they are like that.
I really don't like all those nearly r*apes in other BL mangas,
for example Junjou Romantica (although I have to admit I like
Junjou Romantica and that Hatsukoi stuff; the stories have a
weird atmosphere I enjoy a lot XD But well, the love scenes suck
a lot. x.x It's always so similar and also some kind of r*ape in
my opinion.
Ah, do you know "Junko"? I think some of her BL manga are not
that bad. ^^ I like this one a lot:
HTML http://mangafox.me/manga/recipe_no_oujisama/
(Although I think the other two characters are more interesting
XD But KeiKei and Shohei are also very equal in my opinion.
Neither of them is overly girly or overly manly... it's a nice
little story. Nothing too deep, though. Still better than a lot
of other stories.
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: lawlya Date: June 30, 2015, 10:44 am
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Okay, this is kinda off-topic but yeah, you're right about the
stereotypical BL manga. Though I try not to think too much into
it because well ... I'm someone who doesn't want to pick
everything apart because of problematic content. I really like
Ten Count but you could also says it falls into the spectrum of
mangas you described ^^" Same thing with Love Stage (though I
only read the first volume so far).
And are you kidding, I LOVE Junko o.o I read through all her
mangas on mangahere and you should definitely try a few of them
if you don't know her yet! She has some of the cutest stories I
read so far!
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Kai Date: June 30, 2015, 11:19 am
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Ah, you guys phrased it nicely and just proven all over that I
found a good forum. I try not to judge too much either, but I
just... I can't feel comfortable that much if people like things
that are practically r*pe... Because some of the things I
encountered weren't 'almost' anymore. It's just wrong if things
get forced... and it's not cute if someone's too shy and just
needs a push because they say no due to 'shyness'. That's
just... a fat no for me, too. (Guess I can't not judge in this
case.)
And it's not cute either if someone finds out the love the
person they've been assaulted by after all... that's called
stockholm-syndrome.
So to conclude again, that is not the kind of smut I want to
read and I can't understand why anyone would want to write or
read it. Unless it is a serious story that doesn't glorify such
things.
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