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Smut-writing discussion // And also general smut discussion
By: Vox Date: March 22, 2015, 12:39 pm
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This thread split-off from the Nezushi sexcanon discussion.
WARNING: NSFW. PLEASE DO NOT STAY IN THIS THREAD IF YOU DO NOT
WANT TO READ GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF SEX AND SEXUAL ACTS. THANK
YOU.
Original message:
[member=2]Ahiku[/member] what I meant was that you're good at
drawing things I actually want to look at! Smut has nothing to
do with it! :3
(Three arms, Ahiku... XD)
I'm sure I could design a perfectly good doujin, I just can't
draw it. I have lots of ideas of nice romantic things. But I
guess that's why I'm a writer and not an artist.
The problem with that is the whole
picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words thing. Smut authors have to
work a lot harder than smut artists, imo :I
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Ahiku Date: March 22, 2015, 1:04 pm
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[member=16]Vox[/member]
Ah so, okay! X'D
Yeah, he has three arms... orz
Or a very, very long right arm. X'D Nezumi, the tentacle
monster. (Better than Shion with a burning rope around his
body... right, [member=5]listenforthelove[/member] X'DDD?)
Ah, if you want to we can do a collaboration one day. ^^ (Unless
the doujin is not too long.)
[quote]The problem with that is the whole
picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words thing. Smut authors have to
work a lot harder than smut artists, imo :I[/quote]
Ah... I don't know... It takes a while to draw. X'D Of course
you can express more with a picture, but it's really hard to
compare. When I draw manga pages, I need 30mins if it's a simple
one and up to 2 hours if it's one with a lot of panels and
details...
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Vox Date: March 22, 2015, 2:53 pm
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I didn't mean the work that goes into crafting whatever it is is
more if you're a writer than an artist. I would never suggest
something as stupid as that, I know how much work it takes to
make art!
I meant, a story requires progression in order to have an
impact, whereas in art a single still frame will do the trick.
Sex is kinda a process, so the writer has to both begin it and
end it, whereas an artist can just show a snapshot from it and
be done. I guess what I'm complaining about is the fact that you
can draw any number of pictures of sex and it will feel like
something new even though the essential act is the same, but for
a writer, you are so limited by the fact that there are only so
many words in the English language. Every sex scene will
probably contain the same basic set of words, and it gets really
boring trying to come up with new turns of phrase to describe
the same feelings. That's one of the reasons I wasn't cut out to
be a mostly-smut writer. Because I can't write too many sex
scenes in a row without thinking they all sound the same, and
being bored out of my skull. Like, I'm pretty sure that every
kiss I've ever written has either "gently," "softly," or
"tenderly" in it somewhere. Why would anyone want to read more
than one of my stories in a row? But if I could draw, ah! It'd
be the fucking Olympics, pun intended xD
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Ahiku Date: March 22, 2015, 3:20 pm
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Ah, I see. o.o I have never thought about it in that way, but
you're right. I'm not that much of a writer... especially not in
English. I'm glad when people understand what I try to say. XD
That's why I don't think about new ways of describing something.
(Ah, and I'm glad when I can read a scene without looking up
every second word because I don't know it yet. ^^° Especially
when you read smut stuff.)
Well... I like all of your stories! With smut or without... :D
(Ah, of course I prefer it when "smut" stories have an actual
story line^^° So... just smut is also not very cool... and I
also prefer it when stories don't end after the characters had
sex, as if the sex was the only thing they aimed for. o.o)
Ah, but you're right... It's pretty hard to come up with
something new when you want to write sex scenes. Even though
NezuShi is a good couple... I think you can do a lot with them.
:D
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: lawlya Date: March 22, 2015, 4:08 pm
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It's really tiresome to write smut in German because we have so
many awkward sounding words. So, here's my input to this topic
xD I really think English has so many nice words for writing
smut and then you're sitting there, trying to write it in German
and can't get into the mood at all because of that awkward
wording >.<"
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Vox Date: March 22, 2015, 4:23 pm
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[member=2]Ahiku[/member] Oh, thank you. I was so afraid I'd
totally ruin Fateswap by putting smut into it ^^;;
[member=7]lawlya[/member] I thought you were a native German
speaker. Do the words really sound that weird to you? O.o
Sorry, I have to disagree with you about English though. English
has absolutely awful words for smut, because all of them have
negative connotations.
*puts on education hat* We as a culture never developed a good
dialogue about sex, so all our words for sexual acts are
extremely vulgar and probably come from houses of prostitution
(see: eating someone out, handjob, blowjob, etc.) or extremely
academic (see: oral sex, anal sex, etc.). The same goes for body
parts. While a certain amount of vulgarity is necessary in
writing certain sexual things (they don't call it "dirty talk"
for nothing), when you're trying to make a romantic sex scene
you're basically screwed at the start because there's no
overlap. People try to compensate by using euphemisms like
"member" and "rod" for d*cks, or "core" or "cave" for v*gina but
most of those are really awkward, and sometimes you can even
stray into the infantile if you're not really careful. On top of
all that, sexism has made an imbalance between sexes so when
you're writing hetero or genderbent smut, have fun describing a
woman's private parts because mentions of the clitoris and other
parts are considered offensive, and so are the opposite of
arousing for most people. *takes off education hat, dons
gauntlets of strong opinions*
Anyway that's another reason I hate writing about sex, because
the vocabulary for the mechanical parts of the act is just so
terrible. There are a few good ways of saying things, like
personally I like "lips" to talk about women's private parts
(though that can get repetitive/confusing if there's a lot of
kissing) and "arousal" for a man (though that makes it sound
like I don't know what I'm talking about). Maybe it's just my
pompous, highbrow literature side speaking, but I feel like
there's a lot less freedom in writing about sex than there is in
other topics. It's just so hard to make it sound natural.
Because it's not. The vocabulary to make it natural just hasn't
evolved yet, and I'm really inexperienced in writing this stuff
so the whole thing seems really daunting to me. (Hence the
insecurity about Fateswap).
Aaaaaaaand... this thread is super off topic, lol. Sorry guys.
xD
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: lawlya Date: March 22, 2015, 4:28 pm
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Being native makes it even worse xD But if I read what you wrote
... seems that's the fate of native speakers writing smut?
Because I never think of those words as vulgar or too academic.
But that's exactly the problem I have with German words and I'm
definitely not the only one ^^" It's either anatomical accurate,
vulgar or an overused euphemism xD
Yeah, sorry for off-topicness guys ^^"
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: Weisel Date: March 22, 2015, 4:56 pm
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I think since a lot of us here are writers, we could have
another thread to discuss this elsewhere (because obviously
we're all interested in talking about it and we all have unique
viewpoints). Anyone want to start that?
Also for me writing smut, specifically NezuShi smut (because all
my other writing has been on hold for a couple years), I don't
find the terms to be too difficult... Like, it's a little bit of
a challenge, but if I'm writing a sex scene at all, it's for a
very specific purpose, and it's usually focusing on what's
happening as a result of that. How do I put that into better
words... It's focused on the emotions of the scene, not the
mechanics of everything.
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: lawlya Date: March 22, 2015, 5:24 pm
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Would probably be a good idea :) Anyone against splitting the
thread? We could use the new one to help each other writing
better smut too xD
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Re: Smut-writing discussion
By: AoYokai Date: March 22, 2015, 6:11 pm
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@Ahiku
[quote]I'm not that much of a writer... especially not in
English.[/quote]
But... but... everything you write is so amazing Q.Q
@Vox about the vocabulary, I actually think about words a lot,
not for writing smut because I just can't write smut but in
general. And I think that it's true that most words are either
academic or vulgar, but here is a counter example (?):
making-love.
Oh and I'm in the favor of a new thread!
Back to the doujin topic, anyone read the one where Shion hires
someone to pretend to be himself because he dies five years(?)
before Nezumi comes back so that person now pretends to be Shion
when Nezumi arrives?
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