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Biblical Allusions in No. 6
By: AoYokai Date: February 21, 2015, 1:52 pm
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So, the idea of Eve and Shion's snake scar was referred too more
than once, but I'd like to take it a little further. Since I'm
not very religious and studied only the Hebrew Bible, and even
that in a very secular way, excuse me if I make any statements
that offend you or just seem to be different from your
understanding of the Fall of Man or the Bible in general.
Shion, as an elite, is most certainly one of the most powerful
people in No. 6, and yet, he feels unfulfilled, for reasons he
can't quite understand himself. Same way Adam was sad in
Paradise, although he was the most intelligent and powerful
being there. Then, the storm/God brings them the beautiful Eve,
that tempts them to eat the Fruit of Knowledge, and as a result,
Shion/Adam was banished from No.6/Paradise, and was forced to
live hard, painful life in the outside world along with Eve.
Another interesting point I would like to refer to is Lilith. In
the original creation story, Adam and Lilith were both created
from the earth, but when they, well, were about to have sex,
Lilith refused to be underneath Adam, claiming that they were
equal and that they should lie down on their side. God obviously
took Adam's side, because men are obviously better than women,
and Lilith was banished from Paradise, leading to the creation
of Eve from a part of Adam, so that she'd know she's beneath him
(ah, isn't the Bible beautiful? Sexism is great. Women should be
turned into demons for fighting for their rights).
My point was that Shion is supposed to be Adam, and Nezumi is
Eve, but in this case Shion is calling for equality between
himself and Nezumi.
Next in AoYokai's
I-grew-up-in-a-country-where-Bible-studies-are-mandatory-and-now
-I-know-too-much:
Babylon Treaty. This is totally something that is probably
completely unrelated because i doubt Asano knew about what I'm
going to say next- In Hebrew, Babylon (as in the Empire) and
Babel (as in the tower) are the same word. That got me thinking
about how Babylon Treaty was created to separate the cities in a
peaceful manner, but then again, nobody that doesn't speak
Hebrew/looked this up knows this, so I don't think Asano did
that intentionally.
Something a little more interesting about Babel is that it is
awfully similar to No. 6, only that in the end, when it fell,
the people got together rather than got separated. And yet, both
tell the story of people who tried to challenge the power of God
(Elyurias in this case) and had their work destroyed as a
result.
And that's all of today's I know way too much about the Hebrew
Bible (and yet my parent and I watched a show that made fun of
all kinds of parts in the Bible and I didn't understand a lot of
things but my parents did so I guess that when they went to
school Bible Studies were more important or something)
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Re: Biblical Allusions in No. 6
By: listenforthelove Date: February 21, 2015, 2:07 pm
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Thanks for starting this topic, @AoYokai, that's super
interesting!
I went back to a discussion I had with my friend, but it turns
out it was much the same as what you said here re: Shion as
Adam. Very interesting point raised with Lilith though. Shion
calling for equality between him and Nezumi is very pronounced
in the novels, but I never thought to apply the story of Lilith
there.
And Babylon and Babel being the same word in Hebrew is very
interesting too, I had no idea. I mean, they do sound similar
(and I probably messed it up once or twice because of that), but
I wasn't aware that it's more than just similar-sounding in
Hebrew. (Of course, tons of stuff that get lost in translation
or just mistranslated to begin with...) And hey, whether Asano
knew it or not, that doesn't mean we can't speculate or draw
parallels, does it?
I don't really have much to add aside from the apple - because I
do think that's intentional at least, since apples show up quite
a lot as food of choice in the West Block. The apple that stood
out to me most is the one in the final volume, where Shion
initially offers Nezumi one, but Nezumi hasn't recovered enough
and Shion eats it himself instead - right after he's learnt
about Nezumi's background and right as Nezumi starts to share
his own story. So there's definitely a tie between apple and
knowledge there. (Of course, whether it was an apple in the
Paradise is disputed iirc, but apple is most certainly the one
most associated with the Fall of Man.)
I'm gonna think about this some more, because I'm very
uninformed about Biblical studies and I'm not sure about a lot
of things I might take for granted because I absorbed them from
media while they're actually entirely inaccurate.
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Re: Biblical Allusions in No. 6
By: Weisel Date: February 21, 2015, 2:22 pm
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I don't know shit about any of this, but... What if Nezumi is
Eve and Shion is Lilith? No Adam at all?
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Re: Biblical Allusions in No. 6
By: AoYokai Date: February 21, 2015, 2:58 pm
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@listenforthelove once I wrote an essay about some art piece I
saw that had an apple in it, and it was after I played like 3
weeks straight of Assassin's Creed, so I wrote about how the
apple is the Fruit of Knowledge and I got points off because the
type of the fruit was actually never mentioned in the Bible OTL
But on that note, there are also oranges in No. 6, and in Hebrew
oranges are sometimes referred too as golden apples :) Although,
that would be modern Hebrew, not Biblical Hebrew.
@Weisel the problem with that is that Lilith didn't need anyone
to show her the truth, she was curious and stubborn by nature,
and that was why she was portrayed so badly: an independent
woman was the worst type of woman back then. I'd say that Lilith
is Safu, not necessarily because she didn't sleep with
Adam/Shion, but more because she defied the authority of Adam
and God although she knew the consequences.
I'm trying to think of a role for Inukashi, but I can't ^^ I
could also think of another story that has some parallel lines,
the story of David (Shion) and Samuel (Fennec) but it's kinda
forced...
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