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Re: Names in No. 6
By: listenforthelove Date: February 21, 2015, 1:18 pm
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@Aoyokai: I did read your comment on Rou being an Elder yes or
no, but I had no answer to it... it sounds to me more like a
title he built for himself as he rose to the 'leader' of sorts
of the Underground people, but idk. He does seem to like naming
people, but would he name himself Elder? That's more of a status
than a nickname, I'd think... hm.
Actually, I read the novels first once I really got into No. 6,
and it completely went over my head that Eve was supposed to be
the Biblical name (but then again, I never realized Nezumi might
be crossdressing as Eve until I saw the anime...) - I kind of
thought it was Eve as in evening, because Nezumi is all about
light and darkness, so that made sense to me. I don't know. I'm
too into Kingdom Hearts at the same time so I didn't come into
that objectively XD;
But looking forward to that new thread of yours!
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Re: Names in No. 6
By: AoYokai Date: February 21, 2015, 1:30 pm
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That might be, but I still think it's odd. I'm probably thinking
too much into it ^^"
It is confusing, but for the love of elyurias don't get me
started about the translation of the Bible, especially names.
Eve is one of the absolutely worst translations in the entire
thing, because whoever decided to call her that literally kept
only once ****ing letter from her whole name. Letter. Not a
vowel. A stinking letter. Her name is Hava, the h being, again,
that weird ch something is stuck in my throat sounds.
Edit: btw @Ahiku yeah the weight placement is kinda different
but the German version sounds a lot like it should ^^
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Re: Names in No. 6
By: AoYokai Date: February 21, 2015, 3:13 pm
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(I just realized that I misread the message @Vox send me and
thought you said Persian instead of Parisian I'm stupid ignore
the part where I asked if you speak Farsi...)
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Re: Names in No. 6
By: Meopat Date: February 21, 2015, 8:36 pm
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@AoYokai and @listenforthelove, regarding Rou, I think there's a
portion of the novel where Rou's giving his backstory and he
mentions that he's years older than Karan but they were
childhood friends. So I don't think he's /actually/ old, he just
has a lot of authority. (and maybe he looks old too LOL)
Karan and I were childhood friends. I was much older than her,
but we often played together. (Vol 6 Ch 5)
I can't imagine being 10 years older and still being able to
call that childhood friends. :d but say he's 16, and she's 6 and
they're childhood friends. In the "present" time, after Shion
and Karan move to Lost Town, she's like, what, 40 at most?
(since her son is 16.) That would only put Rou at maybe around
50. And the Mao Massacre happened 12 years before "present"
time, so he would've been like about around his 40s. I don't
know if you'd call a 40 year old as being in his elderly years,
but.. the novel did make him sound really old, so.
Back to the topic of names, I love that the No.6 citizens all
had kanji in their names!! That brings a much broader
perspective of the education system between West Block and No.6
- like the stark different between the two. and also that most
of the names had a plant-motif!! That's definitely something
that doesn't translate well into English.
I like the idea that the Forest People didn't have names! or
maybe if they did, it'd be very much related to nature. I always
humored the idea that Nezumi's real name is Maus just because it
sounds like Mouse. ;__;
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Re: Names in No. 6
By: AoYokai Date: February 21, 2015, 9:00 pm
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@Meopat, now that you mention Rou's age, I think it makes more
sense ^^ maybe he called himself Elder because he got white
hair?
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Re: Names in No. 6
By: Ahiku Date: February 22, 2015, 5:45 am
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[quote]I always humored the idea that Nezumi's real name is Maus
just because it sounds like Mouse.[/quote]
Ah, do you speak German? :D Maus is the German word for mouse.
Yeah, it sounds pretty similar.
[member=21]AoYokai[/member]
Hm...maybe he's just one of the oldest persons in the
underground cave. Otherwise I'd say he's middle-aged when he's
circa 50 years old.
I don't think that really old people could live in the
underground realm... and how did they get there? I guess some of
them survived... they had to climb the stone wall like Nezumi
did when he was a child. I could imagine that Rou is one of the
oldest, and "Rou" is a pretty short name.
He told Shion that names are not important. He's wise and has
white hair... so people could assume he's old... like an old
sage.
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Re: Names in No. 6
By: AoYokai Date: February 22, 2015, 11:41 am
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How would Rou climb with his legs though? ???
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Re: Names in No. 6
By: listenforthelove Date: February 22, 2015, 1:35 pm
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@AoYokai: From what I recall, the leaders from No. 6 threw him
in there, figured 'eh well, it's a natural prison' and just left
him there and forgot about him. Since the Correctional Facility
was still being built, that was the easiest way to get rid of
him. From volume 6, quotes from 9th-avenue
HTML http://9th-ave.blogspot.nl/p/no-6.html's
translation:
[quote]I managed to hang on by a thread, losing my legs in
exchange, and was housed in the underground caves. And so they
cast me off.[/quote]
@Ahiku: also from volume 6:
[quote]"Nezumi, these people..."
"Who do you think they are?"
"Oh―survivors. They must be people like us, who've managed
to escape the execution grounds."
"Wrong." Nezumi shook his head. It was a languid gesture,
unusual for him. "They've lived here way before that."[/quote]
Shion reasons further from there that they must have adapted to
life underground, so apparently those people have been there
longer than the escaped to-be-prisoner.
Which makes it even stranger that they'd call Rou the Elder...
Did he manage to earn the respect of those that live there? I
think he managed to get food and stuff from No. 6 by the small
thread he still had there, right? I can't quite find that right
now, but still.
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Re: Names in No. 6
By: Meopat Date: February 22, 2015, 5:22 pm
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@Ahiku: oh man! I wish I was cool enough to speak German! But it
was just a really good coincidence. orz
@listenforthelove: that's what I suspected too! That Rou was
just a really cool dude who gained the respect of the
aboriginals through tasty No.6 food. XD;
Have you guys ever looked up Shion's name? :0 there's always so
many references to asters being the flower of remembrance in the
Japanese language of flowers. (sob) but the more interesting
factor was that asters used to be used to ward off snakes?
HTML http://www.list-of-birthstones.com/birth%20flowers/Aster%20birth%20flowers.html
HTML http://www.list-of-birthstones.com/birth%20flowers/Aster%20birth%20flowers.html<br
/>
Do you think Asano knew that or was that all a huge coincidence?
Do you think other characters like Safu and Rikiga had such
carefully chosen names? I still can't really figure out the
significance of Safu's name.
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Re: Names in No. 6
By: listenforthelove Date: February 22, 2015, 5:51 pm
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@Meopat: oh, I didn't know about the snake thing with the aster!
Whoa, that's a really nice coincidence (if it is a coincidence,
I have no idea how much research Asano put in meanings of
names). I must say my immediate association with aster is stars,
so I always thought that was where the saying 'the wandering
star and the stagnant one' and the starry-themed ED song came
from... not sure if that's right, though. But yeah, the memory
thing, haha sob ;;;
For Rikiga, I assume his name was picked for its kanji strength
+ river because of his built, and eh... I don't know if it's
coincidence, but Karan's name is written with the kanji for
fire, and fire and water, y'know ;) but that was my own
reasoning.
I have no idea what the significance of Safu's name could be,
though it's very possible I'm overlooking something here. It
doesn't sound like a very common Japanese name to me at any
rate, despite being written in kanji, but that's all I can say.
It's interesting that most other names in No. 6 have to do with
plants, and Safu's kanji are for sand and cloth or to spread out
(depending if you read it as a noun or a verb). Sounds more like
a way that plants can be grown to me? But that's probably
stretching it.
What still amuses me as I'm going through the list of names is
Lili's name. It's a flower in English of course, but the kanji
are the kanji for (white) jasmine twice. Super duper flowery
name in two languages!
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