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#Post#: 8847--------------------------------------------------
Slavery in the State of Columbia
By: Columbia Confederates Date: September 1, 2015, 1:21 pm
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Recently Columbia has been hit with hard questions in regards to
its use of slaves. Slavery as by definition which treats humans
as property and a unpaid workforce. What many don't realize is
that there is a sub form of slavery called Voluntary slavery, a
type of indentured servitude. Voluntary slavery is used by men
and women alike, as well as their families, to give their free
labor in exchange for protection, housing, and other costs. But
still the term slavery has negative effects to it, so as a way
to clear up any suspicions Governor Preston released a book of
laws passed in the state of Columbia to protect the institution
and protect the slaves inside the institution.
Involuntary Slavery Abolishment Act
-Passed in the year of 1876 by Governor Christian Rush. Passed
with a vote of 130-33. Involuntary slavery was abolished with
the passing of this bill by Governor Christian Rush. The
transition period was rough, but rebounded nicely in the year
1880 when former slaves began to be contracted again into
slavery. The economy became well balance and to this day has
remained the economic driving force of Columbia.
Slave Protection Act
-After the Virginia v. Duncan case of 1888, Governor Humphrey
Wilson proposed Congress to come up with a bill to protect the
lives and rights of slaves. In 1892, the Slave Protection Act
was signed in by Governor Jackson Douglass with a support of
101-61. The act confirmed that slaves were not to be abused to
the extent of death and bodily injury (it did not outlaw limited
lashings for misconduct). It also protected a slaves rights to
arms, religion, votes, and free speech.
Jailer Removal Act
-In a gold rage 1892-1893, jail populations began to sprout up.
In order to control jails, all able to work men and women were
forced into slavery. Many leading progressives of the time
called it a strict violation of the Involuntary Slavery Act.
However, it was made a case by famous coal mine owner Sampson
Ramsay that those who were jailed were no longer under certain
protections of the law. In 1895 all able bodied prisoners were
sold into slavery causing an outrage amongst Free-Soilers who
sought to prevent the law from being thrown into place. The law
is the most controversial to this day and was then as well being
signed in by Jackson Douglass and a underwhelming support of
92-71. The Jailer Removal Act stated that they had to serve a
certain period of time (sometimes decades) and were to be freed
when their times were due. However, even with restricted times
they are not protected by any slavery bill passed. They do not
have a right to fire arms or voting. They are not protected from
death or bodily injury as well, which is still a concern to
modern day Free-Soilers known as the Carpenter Party.
Official Slavery Standard Act
-The official slavery standard act was passed in 1952 by
Governor Henry Wallick and received a full out support of 160-3.
The standard reassured the previous passed bills and made note
that "Slavery is an institution bound by the decisions of
peoples not the government and hereby the government shall no
longer take part in its expansion or decay." The bill said that
the state was to protect slavery and uphold the previous bills
but that if slavery were on its way out by a change in the
hearts and minds of peoples that the government couldn't throw
subsidies at slavery or help the expansion of slavery.
#Post#: 8848--------------------------------------------------
Re: Slavery in the State of Columbia
By: Caos Date: September 1, 2015, 1:26 pm
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OOC: So they can be beaten for no reason at all? But they would
SELL themselves into that? And how would they use that money?
WHEN would they use that money, if at all? How long does this
'sale' last? And if that's true, why in gods name can you sell
THEM to SPARTA?
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Re: Slavery in the State of Columbia
By: Columbia Confederates Date: September 1, 2015, 2:19 pm
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OOC: Must of missed the part where it says that they sign
themselves into specific contracts, and the part that says they
are protected from harmful abuse from planters and slave owners.
Okay, this is voluntary slavery, believe it or not it was common
in Greece and very very common in feudal England. Don't take
this too seriously man, it hurts watching you flip out over
this. I don't think you realize this is a fictional world, with
fictional slavery, and fictional slaves. Go protest real life in
Africa and the middle east, brother. Defocus a bit.
#Post#: 8851--------------------------------------------------
Re: Slavery in the State of Columbia
By: Caos Date: September 1, 2015, 2:24 pm
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OOC: Feudal Europe practiced VOLUNTARY slavery? Dude, peasants
physically had NO OTHER CHOICE. In Greece, it was captured
people and criminals. Nine times out of ten, people work for
pay.
You're trying to defend something that is incredibly unrealistic
and impossible in real life. It would never happen, and when I
try to tell you this, you just go 'Dude lol go bother Africa'.
You're just wrong.
#Post#: 8852--------------------------------------------------
Re: Slavery in the State of Columbia
By: Columbia Confederates Date: September 1, 2015, 2:28 pm
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OOC: But ya know what I'll explain each question to you. Just
remember this is my NATIONS beliefs and laws not mine. So to
your first question: No they can't be beaten for no reason. It
says they can't be beaten, killed, or cause extensive bodily
harm. The SPA is meant to prevent that, but it also allows that
slave owners can discipline their VOLUNTARY slaves if it is for
discipline terms only. If it isn't, then the slave can bring
their master to court, it's one of the things that is protected.
And yeah as I've said multiple times it happened before buddy.
Early America, Greece, Rome, Feudal England, etc. Selling
yourself into slavery was pretty common for poor families in
England. It's the families decisions, they aren't forced into
it, the people chose to do so. Involuntary slavery is outlawed
so...that's kinda the very first slave law my state passed Caos.
And they don't sell themselves for money ding dong, they sell
themselves for four things that they couldn't afford otherwise:
Protection, Stability, Food, and Housing. I laid that out
perfectly in the laws. And then depending on a slave's contract
they signed with a slave owner, they can be traded, much like a
football player is traded to different teams (not really but you
get it). We can sell them anywhere and then to anyone by a
contract. In the details I gave Sparta I gave number of slaves
with contracts that allowed trading, less than half of them
allow trading in their contracts. So to say a slave trade is
huge, no it's not. I traded 5,000 slaves, yeah that's alot, out
of how many slaves? Over 500,000? And stop thinking so deep into
this stuff Caos it's getting annoying. Once again these slaves
are not real, this is all fiction buddy, or did you forget that?
#Post#: 8853--------------------------------------------------
Re: Slavery in the State of Columbia
By: Caos Date: September 1, 2015, 3:02 pm
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1. No, it actually didn't outlaw beating. Here's a direct quote:
[quote]The act confirmed that slaves were not to be abused to
the extent of death and bodily injury (it did not outlaw limited
lashings for misconduct).[/quote]
He could be abused, whipped, or beaten for no reason. But as
long as he was not killed or really injured, well, who cared?
2. All your examples were not selling themselves into slavery.
You're using very, VERY flawed arguments based off of flawed
understanding of the systems. Sure, there was indentured
servitude, but that was just to get to the colonies. If you
needed to get to America, you worked for seven years to pay it
off. You weren't paid on the spot.
Feudal England had peasants. They earned basically nothing and
continued to work. NOT VOLUNTARY. They had no other choice.
Romans used prisoners of war and criminals for INVOLUNTARY
SLAVERY. Same with Greece. It was not common to sell yourself
into slavery. But if you had a debt to pay, you were forced into
it.
3. No, actually, your Criminals don't voluntarily go into
something like that, and they AREN'T protected. And did they
agree to be sold? You found 5,000 people who agreed to be
slaves, who agreed to be sold?
4. Ohhhh, so they otherwise sell themselves to something that
they can never get out of, is that it? They have to be slaves
all their lives, because they don't have enough money to own
things.
5. Just because you didn't think ahead doesn't mean I don't. I
think ahead. And when I can pick apart something as flawed as
this, then there's something wrong with your system. It's
flawed. It's impossible. 250,000 people do NOT want to be ripped
from their families, their homes, their lives, just so they can
be traded to god knows where under god knows what conditions
that they have no control over. 500,000 people are not so poor
that they MUST be slaves all their lives in such an economy as
yours. Either your economy is amazing and you favor only the
rich, or your economy is shit and still only favors the rich.
Either way, you've become so dependent on your people living
shitty lives that if they started living good lives, your
economy would shrink.
If someone that's, what, 8 years younger can handle this better,
can pick apart your system way better, and can give you a better
alternative, then you have something wrong with your system.
Either that, or I'm as smart as the rumors say. Or, the third
option: you're attempting to insult me because you're defensive.
Either way, I'm right.
Your system is impossible and improbable. Virginia survived,
yeah. But did you know that those 50 percent could not buy
things? They only produced. They never consumed. They couldn't
escape. They had no choice. They were commodities. Did you know
that Virginia also wasn't a COUNTRY with it's own LAWS,
CURRENCY, and ECONOMY? They had the rest of the bloody country
for an economy. And things were pretty bad for people who didn't
own slaves.
Get to a history textbook before you come insulting me. People
respect my opinions because, even if it's mean, it's got fact
and truth behind it. You just don't respect anything that comes
out of my mouth.
Good try at the system. But this system means that your economy
is basically people selling themselves into something because
life sucks. Bad, bad, BAD system to base your life off of.
#Post#: 8860--------------------------------------------------
Re: Slavery in the State of Columbia
By: Neexus63 Date: September 1, 2015, 6:14 pm
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OOC: Your laws don't apply in Sparta so you may actually be
technically selling them into slavery.
#Post#: 8862--------------------------------------------------
Re: Slavery in the State of Columbia
By: West Phoenicia Date: September 1, 2015, 6:39 pm
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Our issue is not that you have them. We have our own labor
force. That is made up by a large portion of prison labor.
Our outcry comes from you trading them to other state's. Sparta
has one of the worst human rights abuse in the region. Thry jail
polygamists among others with harsh penalties. If they treat
their own citizens like that what hope does a Columbia
Confederate slave have. You may give them rights I doubt they
will follow through.
#Post#: 8864--------------------------------------------------
Re: Slavery in the State of Columbia
By: Columbia Confederates Date: September 1, 2015, 6:46 pm
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WP, Caos' issue is that I have them. Because he thinks these
fictional slaves have feelings, that he needs to protect their
fictional rights. I'll speak with Sparta. The slaves are still
under Colombian protection. I'll see if I can get Sparta to pass
a law to prohibit slave abuse.
#Post#: 8869--------------------------------------------------
Re: Slavery in the State of Columbia
By: Caos Date: September 1, 2015, 7:37 pm
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Oh my god Columbia, you just....
You're so daft. You really are!
MY ISSUE, AS STATED FOUR TIMES BEFORE BUT NEVER REALLY FREAKING
ADDRESSED BY YOU FOR REASONS UNKNOWN, IS THAT THIS ENTIRE THING
ABOUT YOU HAVING 55 PERCENT OF YOUR COUNTRY SLAVES, ESPECIALLY
SLAVES WHO SOLD THEMSELVES INTO SLAVERY, IS COMPLETELY, UTTERLY,
UNREALISTIC!!!!!!
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