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       Re: Re: NCSA Civil War OOC
       By: Caos Date: August 9, 2015, 4:19 pm
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       Could you all shut your traps for about five minutes while I do
       my thing here?
       I'm trying to be nice and I asked you guys to PAUSE. TWICE.
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       Re: Re: NCSA Civil War OOC
       By: West Phoenicia Date: August 9, 2015, 4:25 pm
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       Where is any post previous that says Sparta was in talks with
       USSDEN to betray Colombia and its allies?
       Where is any post that WP granted permission for Sparta to be
       near us?
       What happened to the no killing of leaders unless agreed upon.
       Sparta did none of that. It was all premature on his part. Post
       needs to be struck.
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       Re: Re: NCSA Civil War OOC
       By: Caos Date: August 9, 2015, 4:29 pm
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       Okay. Roughly 20 hours ago or so, Sparta posted this little
       thing in This thread
  HTML http://ncsa.createaforum.com/international-incidents/the-colombian-retaliation/msg6044/#msg6044:
       [spoiler][quote author=Sparta link=topic=641.msg6044#msg6044
       date=1439057467]
       *West Phoenician Waters*
       "Sir we are approaching Melbourn Haven!  Our expedition to the
       Atlantic is successful!" General Kennedy said to his overall
       commander General Washington.
       "Good. Now, head towards the harbor of Melbourne Haven(WPs
       Capital). We need to restock and refuel before sending men to
       Columbia. Send out, fully loaded, 10 Heavy Bombers with 13 F-13
       Eagles over The city  to head to Columbia to help. Notify West
       Phoenicia of our actions. We will respect their wishes about the
       navy not entering their harbors. Inform their leaders however
       the soldiers are coming into the city in the LSVPs to have some
       fun since they've been cooped up in boats for a while. We begin
       aiding our allies today!" Washington exclaimed. "Oh, and send
       out 10 bombers without escorts, 5 armed with cluster bombs and 5
       with guided bombs, to fly over the West Phoenician capital also
       with visible signs they are Spartan to cheer our allies before
       heading to Columbia!"
       The soldiers loaded into the LSVPs and the aircraft took off.
       [/quote][/spoiler]
       Now I know WP probably knew about that. If he had an issue with
       it, he would've told us before. I'm sure WP actually reads
       threads to know what's going on, especially if he yells at
       everyone else who doesn't.
       I found nothing wrong with that post. It was actually okay.
       HOWEVER, WP has made three different posts about the civil war,
       even AFTER he announced himself to be cleansing his hand of the
       topic:
       [list]
       [li]Here
  HTML http://ncsa.createaforum.com/the-antebellum-party/the-colombian-rebellion/msg6011/#msg6011[/li]
       [li]Here
  HTML http://ncsa.createaforum.com/the-antebellum-party/antebellum-support-for-columbia/msg6012/#msg6012[/li]
       [li]And here
  HTML http://ncsa.createaforum.com/capitol-building/the-ordinance-of-secession/msg6116/#msg6116[/li]
       [/list]
       And honestly, WP, if you were so against this, why were you
       watching these threads, and why were you watching this one in
       particular?
       Now, WP, this isn't fair on Sparta's part. He's made the time to
       do this, and the only reason you're denying him this is because
       you don't want your leaders dead. Unfortunately, there really
       can't be an 'unless agreed upon' because what happens if he
       nukes your capitol in a war? Do you have the ability to suddenly
       make your leader alive? No?
       If you don't want to be a target, don't make yourself a target.
       Don't put yourself out there and give people reasons to attack
       you, then turn around and tell them in the most spoiled manner
       possible: "YAWN. Nope. Not happening."
       Biggest thing here is: Don't be a dick. And when you are a dick,
       a target, or anything else ICly, don't be a dick oocly about it
       and act privileged. Don't rub it in their face, and don't act
       like the place has to revolve around you. And be nice, and don't
       be passive aggressive. That gets you far on these forums.
       Now I SUPPOSE that, for the sake of fairness, you, Sparta, and
       Columbia could work this out together, but if you intend on
       supporting Columbia and the UCA, be prepared to take casualties.
       They happen. Don't be a dick like I was about the Super Hornets.
       #Post#: 6135--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Re: NCSA Civil War OOC
       By: Aquatur Date: August 9, 2015, 4:32 pm
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       OOC: Could you not use those words?
       #Post#: 6136--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Re: NCSA Civil War OOC
       By: Caos Date: August 9, 2015, 4:32 pm
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       OOC: What, don't be a dick?
       That's the best summary of any set of rules. I believe we are
       all above 13 here, no?
       #Post#: 6137--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Re: NCSA Civil War OOC
       By: Aquatur Date: August 9, 2015, 4:33 pm
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       OOC: There are ways to make the same point without using those
       words.
       #Post#: 6138--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Re: NCSA Civil War OOC
       By: West Phoenicia Date: August 9, 2015, 4:34 pm
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       I tend to try and look at most threads given the time.
       However I made no formal declaration of either side.
       I have been asleep for 10hrs.
       This post is wrong. If it had been you Caos you would be making
       more of an issue than I am.
       2 of those posts were from the Antebellum Party. Which is a
       seperate entity from my state.  The other was a special meeting
       which even you would not be aware of the outcome until after I
       posted.
       Sparta needs to remove the post.
       #Post#: 6139--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Re: NCSA Civil War OOC
       By: Caos Date: August 9, 2015, 4:37 pm
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       Oh no, but you've definitely announced your intention to, and
       you've called your congress together about this, and you've even
       given support in the form of the Antebellum party. I'd say that
       makes you a target.
       Yes, you have. And Sparta's first post was over 20 hours ago.
       TWENTY.
       Oh, but do you have any evidence as to WHY it's wrong? As far as
       you know, he's your ally. He even radioed you AHEAD of time to
       tell you, "hey, these guys are coming over here, and we're going
       to be doing this for morale ya know, so you know it's Sparta,
       and then we're going to bomb the enemy."
       #Post#: 6140--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Re: NCSA Civil War OOC
       By: Caos Date: August 9, 2015, 4:39 pm
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       You want to do something about this, then you call together
       Sparta and Columbia, and you work it out together. I'm only here
       to tell you you're wrong, and that he's got a point, but we all
       know how stubborn both of us can be, and this -is- Columbia's
       RP, and he -does- ask you for help a lot, so go talk with those
       two.
       Frankly, you can either help him, or you can't. Those are your
       only two options.
       #Post#: 6142--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Re: NCSA Civil War OOC
       By: West Phoenicia Date: August 9, 2015, 4:46 pm
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       Caos if this was you, You would be insulting Sparta right now.
       I am simply telling him the rp does not make sense. For all
       players to play they need to be made aware of certain key
       points.
       No posts on these threads suggest he and you had a secret talk
       that he would betray.  He even went as far as to call kn other
       nations to attack you because of your declaration of war.
       I have rp my scientists had finally worked on germ war fare. We
       all know through a post over a month ago. That my intelligence
       agency has spies in countries.
       So what if I rp them releasing it. Bang Sparta and USSDEN are
       dead too. That would be ridiculous just like the post Sparta
       made.
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