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       #Post#: 8159--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCSA Civil War
       By: Columbia Confederates Date: August 25, 2015, 1:08 pm
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       OOC: No we're at peace with y'all we seriously don't want war.
       #Post#: 8160--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCSA Civil War
       By: Caos Date: August 25, 2015, 1:12 pm
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       OOC: *facepalm*
       You posted to defend yourself from my invasion, then without any
       actual posts, any actual warning, you just assume that you're at
       peace with everyone? That's metagaming. You've done no IC
       actions, and even then maybe I just won't listen to your
       surrender. That's great if you don't want war, but maybe you
       shouldn't make policies that OTHER nations find offensive, hmm?
       Maybe then you wouldn't be a target.
       Like I always say, man. If you don't want to be a target, don't
       make yourself one. You don't walk down a firing range holding a
       giant target on your back and yell at the person who shot you,
       do you? And likewise here.
       #Post#: 8161--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCSA Civil War
       By: Columbia Confederates Date: August 25, 2015, 1:16 pm
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       OOC: Caos ever occur to you that I might not be talking to you?
       And also, that is a horrible analogy. I was talking to the
       Reich, as in we are at peace with them. I'll never be at peace
       with you.
       #Post#: 8162--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCSA Civil War
       By: Caos Date: August 25, 2015, 1:17 pm
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       OOC: Yes, but at the same time, the same thing applies here. AR
       invaded you as AR, not as the NCSA. But you didn't surrender to
       her. You surrendered to the NCSA government.
       #Post#: 8163--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCSA Civil War
       By: Columbia Confederates Date: August 25, 2015, 1:19 pm
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       OOC: Caos I really don't wannt fight bro, can we not do this
       today  :(
       #Post#: 8164--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCSA Civil War
       By: Amerikanisches Reich Date: August 25, 2015, 1:20 pm
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       ((Well, like was said IC, peace with the NCSA government isn't
       peace with the Reich -- war between States isn't prevented by
       the Constitution and, when it started, it was under the auspices
       of NCSA policy, BUT a separate treaty needs to be negotiated
       with the Reich, because the Reich government isn't the NCSA
       government. If you don't want war, we're offering a treaty!
       And RP-wise, once you start fighting, it's usually considered
       bad form to duck out OOCly if it seems to be going badly or you
       just don't like it, though I know you mean it all with
       respect.))
       #Post#: 8165--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCSA Civil War
       By: Columbia Confederates Date: August 25, 2015, 1:21 pm
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       OOC: Then I'll take your treaty. I'm done with the fighting
       Caos, OOCly and ICly.
       #Post#: 8167--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCSA Civil War
       By: Amerikanisches Reich Date: August 25, 2015, 1:31 pm
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       ((OOC: Thanks. IC thread about the negotiation to come soon. The
       Reich will demand unconditional surrender but won't try to take
       any territory as long as it gets Hightah, which was the real
       goal :) . Oh, but please do respond giving the Reichsmarschall
       safe conduct, otherwise he can't just you know, saunter up and
       risk getting shot on sight :) .))
       #Post#: 8168--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCSA Civil War
       By: Caos Date: August 25, 2015, 1:33 pm
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       OOC: To be fair, you are easily offended. A good tactic is to
       grow some skin. You keep getting offended and you think that
       everyone wants to fight. But it isn't fighting when I point out
       that your way of thinking is wrong. To you it may seem that way,
       but it only becomes fighting when you make it fighting, like you
       have done with the last couple of arguments surrounding you. You
       need to separate OOC and IC. You need to realize that the only
       reason people don't necessarily like you is because you've made
       this place very toxic.
       You constantly try to tell other people how to RP their own
       nation. You try to blame others for your faults, and you try to
       change IC fact, actions, and characteristics with OOC responses.
       If my nation doesn't like yours, we'll take action! That's our
       decision! What we do, how we do it, that's up to us, not you. If
       you don't like that, there's not much you can do besides leave.
       What you cannot do is try to force someone else into accepting
       something that's not unchangable fact. You're using circular
       logic here. Your argument is that
       "XYZ hates ME as a PERSON, QED they invade me"
       "But he doesn't. That's his nation's views."
       "Yes he does. He's a (insert swearwords here)"
       "Well now he does. But that wasn't why he was invading."
       "See? You all hate me for MY views."
       "You just insulted people because you thought we hated you for
       IC rules. That's why we don't like you."
       "FFFUUUUUU"
       Do you see the issue here?
       #Post#: 8186--------------------------------------------------
       Re: NCSA Civil War
       By: Columbia Confederates Date: August 25, 2015, 3:15 pm
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       Caos, please stop. Plenty of people like me and I really don't
       care how you feel about me. You said it yourself: He leaves,
       this shit gets sorted out, or I leave. Well I don't plan on
       leaving yet and I want relationships to mend on here. So if your
       not committed to helping relationships mend then your option is
       leave. So that's that. I'm not leaving, I don't want you to
       leave, and I want our relationship to be better. If you disagree
       with any of those then you need to get out.
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