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#Post#: 6028--------------------------------------------------
Re: emergency meeting of Congress
By: West Phoenicia Date: August 8, 2015, 10:23 am
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"Does not the Secretary of Defence have to pass things by the
President of the NCSA first? Representative Baroness Honey
Baroda asked. She looked at other representatives, a shocked
look upon her face.
"Was there any meeting that Congress was not aware of between
the President and the NCSA Secretary of Defence before
Confederal agents stormed into Colombia?
"Was proper documentation and a proper time frame given to the
State of Columbia Confederate in regards to them wanting to
nullify a law they felt over stepped their state rights? If the
NCSA over the proper checks and is not held accountable. How
can we ask that of states. The NCSA should lead by example."
"It is a gross misjustice for Confederal officers to trespass on
private property without formal papers."
The Baroness flicked open her fan. Fanning herself not only was
the room hot, but she was flustered.
#Post#: 6029--------------------------------------------------
Re: emergency meeting of Congress
By: Columbia Confederates Date: August 8, 2015, 10:28 am
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"Thank you ma'am. At least someone in here brought their brain
along."
#Post#: 6030--------------------------------------------------
Re: emergency meeting of Congress
By: Heavenly Paradise Date: August 8, 2015, 10:53 am
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"I head up the Department of Defense, yes. But the SOD doesn't
always run things by me before carrying out actions. I believe
that perhaps Secretary Dawning has a few things to answer for.
And no, there was no such meeting. We do not even have to give a
warrant to enter a state, as when speaking of warrants the
Constitution deals with the individual only, not the states. In
the case of Foti, they didn't even set foot on his property.
And it is not the priority of my administration to give time
frames to criminal states who don't have the common sense to
obey the law. If they had felt that a law impeded on their
rights, they should have done things the legal way and challenge
it in the
Supreme Court. We came near private property, but did not
trespass upon it. Therefore, the burden does not lie with us,
but you."
#Post#: 6031--------------------------------------------------
Re: emergency meeting of Congress
By: West Phoenicia Date: August 8, 2015, 11:19 am
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"We have a Supreme Court. Seems they are on an extended break."
The Baroness laughed lightly.
So no warrant is needed are you saying?
So a state has no right in the matter? No chance to either to
accept and support or deny a request for Confederal agents to
waltz into any state they like? So At any time without no
warning or asking assistance of that state due to the
Constitution only falling under citizens?" "So a Turkdurken
housewife could be baking bread in her kitchen and be dragged
off without a word? Or a Bamovian Farmer out milking his cows?
And neither could defend themselves unless they be labelled a
criminal?
"What in particular was this citizens confederal crime? Sources
close to home suggest it was NOT the individual but the state
the NCSA was challenging.
"You yourself said you were not aware of the incident until
AFTER the incident had begun. How can you be so sure the
Confderal agents did not trespass on this citizens property. And
he had to defend himself?
"Anyone else wish to ask questions about the inconsistencies? "
Baroness Honey Baroda shook her head in disbelief at what she
was hearing.
#Post#: 6034--------------------------------------------------
Re: emergency meeting of Congress
By: Heavenly Paradise Date: August 8, 2015, 11:48 am
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"In fact it was the Colombian representative that stated that
the Confederate agents came near the property, and that was why
they were shot at. Not because they set foot on his property,
but because they came near it on the road. They were a convoy. A
rogue state, one that breaks the Supreme Laws of the land, has
no say in the matter. Order must be restored. I reiterate that
Colombia is a rogue, noncompliant state. Warrants are needed for
individuals but not states. Foti had no need of defending
himself. He was not shot at or even payed attention to by the
Confederate agents. He instigated the conflict. His only crime
was firing on the agents that meant him in particular no harm
and we're not raiding his property, simply passing by on the
road near it. And you are right, the NCSA is in conflict with
Confederate Colombia. If you have any further questions, please
direct them to Secretary Dawning."
#Post#: 6037--------------------------------------------------
Re: emergency meeting of Congress
By: Caos Date: August 8, 2015, 12:31 pm
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The Secretary of Defense, Albert Dawning, stood up sharply, and
looked around the room.
"If I may say so...
CBI agents must obtain a warrant to sieze, search, and arrest,
unless probable cause is available. Those CBI agents, however,
do NOT need a warrant to enter a state. That goes against the
constitution, which says that each state must not deny entrance
without probable cause. What 'probable' cause was there for any
state to deny them entrance? There was no war between the NCSA
and Columbia until now.
"On the subject of Foti, you will delve into small things. Foti
shot at an Agent who was taking a piss on the side of the road.
Since when did taking a piss on the side of the road constitute
trespassing? Or do you, Baroness, simply wish to elevate things
to please your ego? After the shooting, five agents approached
the man, who was now surrounded by some soldiers, and were
ordered by James Rider to arrest the man. Probable cause, you
see. You do not just ignore getting shot at, and attempting to
murder a Confederal agent is highly illegal. A confederal
offense.
"After this it gets sketchy, as only small visual and oral
records exist. James Rider, and multiple others, reported that
the agents advanced to arrest him, and told him and the soldiers
that he was going to be under arrest for assaulting and
attempting to murder a confederal agent. Upon doing so, the
soldiers raised their guns and attempted to stop them by saying
that this was the problem of the state, not confederal agents.
The agents, in turn, responded by ordering them to move, and
raised their guns. In less than 30 seconds after that, all five
agents lay dead after the soldiers shot them. It was the
soldiers, who I believe are now dead, who started the fight.
"Knowing the Baroness, I excpect her to go on a rant about her
warped conclusions of the Constitution, and do the thing she
does best: Blame others for hers or her ally's actions. You,
Baroness, gave up independence when you joined. That was even
stated in the constitution. You gave Congres, the Supreme Court,
and the Executive branch the power to make laws, to enforce
those laws, and to check and deliver those laws, following the
constitution. Is it against a person's rights that when he
breaks a law he gets arrested? No? But because of a dependent
state who decides to illegally nullify a law, the leader can't
get investigated for treason? Your state is not independent. It
is not completely sovereign, either.
"Sure, your state can make its own laws, it's own military, it's
own taxes, but you gave power to the Government. And you can't
take it back. Not without editing the constitution, or making
the appropriate changes and laws in Congress."
#Post#: 6074--------------------------------------------------
Re: emergency meeting of Congress
By: Confederacy of Turkducken Date: August 8, 2015, 4:42 pm
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"If I may say add something Mr. Secretary," Representative
Graham began, standing up from his seat. "Governor Preston, as
far as I have been informed, is being treated as a guest in the
President's own home. He is being provided for with the utmost
care, he is however under armed guard, and we have reasons to
detain him as he allegedly threatened one of our Captains with a
pistol upon confrontation. We will release him to Confederal
Jurisdiction, along with his guards who have been classified as
POWs. You have my word, as well as the President's, that he will
be looked after with the best of care we can provide." He paused
cleared his throat and began again. "We hold no ill will to
Columbia or any other of the Separatists we are facing, we would
gladly accept diplomacy to resume between the renegade States
and the Confederacy. Until then we will protect and arm
ourselves against this very real and pressing threat."
#Post#: 6175--------------------------------------------------
Re: emergency meeting of Congress
By: Aquatur Date: August 9, 2015, 11:12 pm
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OOC: So where is this going?
#Post#: 6185--------------------------------------------------
Re: emergency meeting of Congress
By: West Phoenicia Date: August 10, 2015, 8:17 am
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"Madame madame" an intern of Baroness Honey Baroda barrelled
into the Congress chambers, a shocked pale look on his face. A
mobile phone in his right hand . He scanned the Representatives
until he found his mistress.
"What is is" she demanded "Can't you see we are in session- this
better.."
"Baroness please," he lifted his left hand urging her to stop
talking a feat that was not always possible. "West Phoenicia has
been attacked" He motioned the phone to her, its the Deputy
Prime Minister. Sparta with no warning has attacked one of our
city states. "
Baroness Honey Baroda waved her fan in a rapid motion. Had it
just got hot in the chambers. She grabbed the phone as those in
the Congress looked on...
While the conversation could not be heard the Baronesses facial
expressions told the story. Her face transformed from stunned
belief, to confusion finally to anger. She hurled the phone
narrowly missing a Representative.
"Traitor....Traitor she screamed at the top of her lungs
towards the Spartan representative. "Sparta has just unleashed
an unwarranted attack on our sovereign nation" she cried to all
those near her.
She pointed her right index finger with a ruby ring on it at the
Spartan Representative " A bounty of $20 million on your bastard
kings head."
With that the Baroness fainted.
#Post#: 6188--------------------------------------------------
Re: emergency meeting of Congress
By: Sparta Date: August 10, 2015, 8:37 am
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"Well, I believe my state has done us a favor. My state has
announced they received reports that West Phoenicia was
beginning to turn UCA or they already did. My King took actions
against this and did the nation a favor."
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