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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Heavenly Paradise Date: July 20, 2015, 3:24 pm
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"This bill is a compromise, but in no way is it optional. This
bill does not limit the ability of a state to keep and bear
nuclear weapons, but it does prevent the unnecessary
proliferation of nuclear weapons from state to state. Under this
bill, a state can be searched, provided that a warrant is given
by the Supreme Court, making it lawful."
#Post#: 4762--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Columbia Confederates Date: July 20, 2015, 3:30 pm
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"And this is why we can't allow it. Then the government has no
warrant to invade a state's privacy. What a state does with its
nuclear weapons is its own business. Now I agree we need to be
careful with nations possibly using it for harm, but we need to
protect our rights of privacy. The state is for the people, not
for a governing body."
#Post#: 4765--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Pinkus Date: July 20, 2015, 3:40 pm
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"I would like to state to the delegate from the Columbia
Confederates that sensationalist rhetoric is itself a weapon of
tyranny. And if you are opposed to governing bodies to such a
degree then I would suggest you dismantle your government in
lieu of anarchism, or else let the people decide how you are
going to use your nuclear weapons. I do not understand the point
of a confederation of states if your only desire is being able
to say "I am in a confederation", and leave it at that. The
point of these bills are to ensure common welfare, and if you
have no interest in common welfare, and only care for your own
welfare, and are certain that you alone can make better
decisions than those which come around through logical debate,
then you had best blaze your own path. I do not mean to sound
insulting, but for me personally the idea of "rights of privacy"
is not nearly enough justification to risk the welfare of our
citizens. Furthermore, abuses arise more easily when unchecked,
and it would be all too easy for a nation to claim to be of the
people and be quite the opposite. We need each other to ensure
our own liberty.
Also thank you to Gondor for clarification. I feel I got lost in
the resulting debate and unfortunately missed the point of the
initial bill, and while I still hold my points I apologize for
creating such a sidetrack. As the bill stands I agree with it,
assuming that some of the complaints of its punishments
violating Constitutional law are addressed. The dismantling of
nuclear weapons on a nationwide scale is something that probably
needs to be addressed in a separate bill, although I am glad we
brought these things up regardless. Apologies again."
#Post#: 4766--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Heavenly Paradise Date: July 20, 2015, 3:46 pm
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"The Constitution states that it is the duty of the Confederate
Government to protect the states from domestic violence, and
nuclear weapons are the biggest domestic violence threat that
this nation has ever faced. If we prevent the states from
distributing these weapons, then we have taken a step forward
towards curbing the overall threat. What a state does with
nuclear weapons within it's own borders is its own business, but
when weapons of mass destruction are sent outside of a state's
borders, it becomes a matter of national security, given the
capabilities of nuclear weapons. The constitution also mentions
the power of Congress to make allneedful laws regarding these
great lands. The government has no warrant, as you say, but
surely it may obtain one."
#Post#: 4767--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Columbia Confederates Date: July 20, 2015, 4:01 pm
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"Then regulate what you wish, but we will take no part in such
instance. I understand the limits of government. Anarchy is as
evil as that of a government who would like to get inside our
affairs. We finalize that we vote against this bill, we will
nulificate the bill on our state level. Our reasoning is simple,
we as a state have a right not to be dictated by a massive large
body of government. We believe in small government and states
rights. Thank you for your time."
#Post#: 4768--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Columbia Confederates Date: July 20, 2015, 4:05 pm
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"Again I would like to state that we don't mean to get involved
in the affairs of other states, but Columbia has every right to
deny laws which would invade the state's actions and affairs. I
should remind everyone that we do not have nuclear weapons,
however if we ever had nuclear weapons we would not want a
bloated massive government getting involved in OUR activities,
know the boundaries of a government. This government's goal is
to protect a human's right, not invade on them."
#Post#: 4769--------------------------------------------------
Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Heavenly Paradise Date: July 20, 2015, 4:06 pm
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"A state does not have the right to nullify national law. The
Congress may not have authority over the states, but derives its
power from the states, and when the states come together,
assembled in these hallow halls, the states then use their
collective sovereignty to create national laws."
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Columbia Confederates Date: July 20, 2015, 4:10 pm
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"We have every right to nulificate a law if we find it
unconstitutional. We will nulificate this law. We will not allow
any investigations to take place in Columbia."
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Caos Date: July 20, 2015, 5:02 pm
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"By agreeing to join this confederacy, you gave Congress the
power to make certain laws governing your body. You gave up the
right to determine which laws will or will not be enacted upon
your state. You gave power to Congress to make laws, therefor
you cannot deny them that power once you join. Because you
joined, you cannot nullify. Simply put, that is an act of
treason. And I'm sure that wouldn't be viewed nicely by the Home
Guard." Ascrith Taranis spoke, his cigar seen in his hand. The
man spoke in a very Russian accent, but one thing was certain:
He did not call him Tovarishch, which he usually called his
fellow Congressmen. "Furthermore, you do not have the power, or
even leverage, to even TRY to back up your claims. It would be a
different thing entirely if I said such a thing, as that itself
would be threatening. Alas, I do not. Because, Representative,
that is illegal."
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Confederacy of Turkducken Date: July 20, 2015, 5:08 pm
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"As my comrade here so elegantly puts it, you would be a rogue
state if you nullified this law. It would be for our national
security that we would then have to bring your State into
compliance."
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