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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Heavenly Paradise Date: July 17, 2015, 8:46 am
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I motion for a vote.
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Sparta Date: July 17, 2015, 11:18 am
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I second the motion.
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: West Phoenicia Date: July 17, 2015, 7:29 pm
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Ooc. I called for it to be tabled and so did someone else
before you two called for a vote.
Vote to table or vote to ?
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: david090366 Date: July 18, 2015, 5:11 am
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Sorry. I missed the motion to table. OK, one thing at a time
then. A motion has been made to table, is there a second?
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: West Phoenicia Date: July 20, 2015, 1:39 am
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I was the second in that motion.
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Caos Date: July 20, 2015, 3:04 am
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I did a read through and you were the first to call for a table,
but there was no second.
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Pinkus Date: July 20, 2015, 1:42 pm
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"I would like to begin by saying that I hope none of my fellow
representatives will be offended at my introduction of a lengthy
argument into a debate that has, thus far, been populated by
more succinct thoughts.
Assuming that this bill is not about to be soon tabled, I would
like to inject some thoughts here. I think it is important for
us to question ourselves as to the purpose for us retaining
weapons of mass destruction. The only justified argument,
outside of warfare and expansionary tactics, is that of
'mutually assured destruction'. As far as The Free Land of
Pinkus is concerned, both warfare and expansionary tactics are
unacceptable reasons to possess WMD's, as they pose unjustified
threats to national welfare, as well as the civilian populace,
and are not necessary for efficient conventional warfare.
Ideally, I would like to think the usage of 'MAD' would only
apply between the NCSA and outside, hostile forces, but clearly
there are tensions between NCSA states, obviously due to the
presence of warfare between states.
Now, while 'MAD' does have the benefit of maintaining peace,
this is a tentative peace that only breeds distrust and
paranoia, and overall I can hardly see of any justification for
it as a superior method of maintaining peace. In our current
situation it is surely the most pragmatic, but it is certainly
not ideal, and there is no reason why idealism can not be
pursued in this course for the sake of national welfare of all
citizens. Furthermore, for the sake of solidarity, I would like
to see all of NCSA take a unified stance on this. Obviously here
I am also arguing for the removal of WMD's from all nations,
although apparently the constitutional validity of this has been
questioned.
This argument also relies on the assumption that nuclear attacks
from hostile nations outside of the NCSA can be deterred with
reliability and effectiveness through other defense mechanisms.
This should not be solely a states issue, and should have some
degree of national oversight, as the failure on the part of one
state to deter attacks from nuclear weapons both harms the
strength of the nation as a whole (due to intense environmental
damage), and can also be extremely harmful to neighboring states
(for the same reason). With an issue as severe as the use of and
deterrence weapons of mass destruction, we should have some
accountability to one another.
Ideally, The Free Land of Pinkus would like to see the complete
removal of all nuclear weapons, but if the NCSA must rely on
'MAD', I would suggest that the national government be in charge
of authorizing the usage of nuclear weapons on a
strike-by-strike basis, or certainly of reviewing the validity
of strikes against fellow nations, in addition to banning
further production. At this point, we of course have an issue of
centralization vs state's rights, although I would ask my fellow
representatives to not dogmatically align with one of those
camps, and look beyond to the criteria of national welfare. I
acknowledge that I have taken what equates to a centralist
stance of some issues, and I would like to say that I do not
necessarily support the use of centralization as a widespread
policy, but in this specific case it would appear to be
beneficial.
With these thoughts in mind I would suggest that amendments are
in order, although the certainly seems to be enough support to
cease production of nuclear weapons that this bill can be passed
in some form."
[OOC: Edited for minor grammatical errors and to clarify a
thought]
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Columbia Confederates Date: July 20, 2015, 2:43 pm
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Columbia votes against this bill. Representative Henry Spoke
says:
"This bill is one step closer to a loss of our confederate
nation. Colombians have had a history of tyrants walking in and
telling them what to do, and I as representative don't plan on
that happening. This bill seeks to dictate how we distribute
weaponry. From my knowledge, we have no nuclear weapons. But,
there are nations and people who deserve those rights. We stand
with everyone, not just ourselves. We are united, but not in a
way which forces us to conform. We reject this bill and will
nullificate it if passed."
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Confederacy of Turkducken Date: July 20, 2015, 2:46 pm
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"May I remind Representative Henry that this bill is optional?
This is a compromise between a more radical bill proposed by
myself, compliance is optional end of story."
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Re: [Bill-IC] The Nuclear Weapons Proliferation Act
By: Columbia Confederates Date: July 20, 2015, 3:14 pm
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"And may we remind the Turks that you can never be so sure when
it comes to a body of government. We in Columbia believe that a
governing body should not have the ability to investigate any
nation, regardless of the decisions made. Tyrants rise from
these bills which are claimed 'optional'"
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