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       #Post#: 3868--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Everything But The Nuclear Sink Bill
       By: West Phoenicia Date: July 9, 2015, 2:34 am
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       How about we just give new players amnesty for a set duration to
       give them time to adjust to the region and build up their
       factbook and Military.  This forum offers more than just war rp.
       There are many rp. And they do have the protection to not get
       involved in a war rp.
       As we can see if a new players sticks around long term players
       are pretty much come to their assistance with offers of help.
       #Post#: 3873--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Everything But The Nuclear Sink Bill
       By: Caos Date: July 9, 2015, 9:16 am
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       Good idea. If we give them a sort of "Get out of jail free
       card", they can grow more.
       Also, DEN is NOT self sufficient. I need food. Lots of it. XD
       #Post#: 4055--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Everything But The Nuclear Sink Bill
       By: david090366 Date: July 12, 2015, 6:47 am
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       One of our core rules has always been that no one has to
       participate in any role play they don't want to. So I can go
       around saying I'm going to attack Turkducken all I want, but if
       Turkducken doesn't want to play ball they don't have to. So what
       that essentially amounts to is that no state has to engage in a
       military RP until they feel they are prepared, or at all for
       that matter. Even though I usually have a moderately well
       equipped conventional military older members can attest that you
       can probably count on one hand the number of military role plays
       I've ever been involved in.
       Now, is this bill seconded?
       #Post#: 4191--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Everything But The Nuclear Sink Bill
       By: david090366 Date: July 13, 2015, 3:28 am
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       Turducken, guys, I had an idea. Turducken let me know if this
       would have helped you as far as establishing an army when you
       started out. I have another I'd also like to bounce off people
       here.
       Us larger, more militarized nations should have considerable
       defense industries. What if we established a storefront where
       new states could just simply come to shop for stuff. I could,
       for instance, put up a version of my Leopard Tank clone and my
       boxer vehicles. We would put the stats for them there so people
       would know what they are buying.
       Also, would it be reasonable/useful to develop a template for
       the Secretary of Interior to use (and I) when posting acceptance
       of land claims. Something like "Claim approved. Don't forget to
       sign up for Congress here (link). You might also want to check
       out our RP forums to find out if there is something going on you
       might be interested in (link, link, link). Or our political
       parties (Links). And most of all if you have any questions don't
       hesitate to ask (persons inserted here)."
       We used to send out an automated PM like this on the other
       forum, but can't do that here. I tried to do something like that
       here, with the welcome forum, but I'm not sure it's actually
       getting seen. At least this way they would get an email
       notification about a response to their thread.
       #Post#: 4197--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Everything But The Nuclear Sink Bill
       By: Confederacy of Turkducken Date: July 13, 2015, 3:44 am
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       I definitely agree that such measures would reduce confusion in
       new members, however I apologize for being a little preachy and
       losing the focus of the actual bill. Most of my initial
       trepidations were probably because of my own personal
       nervousness, however I recently had a friend who joined the
       community and was rather lost in where to go and what to do. I
       assisted him in navigating through the forums, a lot of
       confusion can also be seen on our message board on NationStates.
       I am personally confused as to why that is, as instructions are
       clearly given. The last thing I would like to say is that
       feedback would be really important to everyone, especially those
       who ask for it.
       #Post#: 4203--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Everything But The Nuclear Sink Bill
       By: david090366 Date: July 13, 2015, 4:08 am
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       When people PM or Telegraph me I try to do my best. When we were
       at 20 members, it was easy. Now I quite truthfully have my hands
       full simply with Congress and the map. Perhaps we could
       designate the Secretary of State as a contact on the RMB? Since
       he is supposed to deal with "external" matters.  ;D Ahhh,
       growing pains! I think part of the issue is that we are now a
       200+ member region (BTW guys our old top was 193!!!) who is
       still thinking/acting like we only have 20 some odd members? We
       need to start delegating some duties.  ;)
       #Post#: 4205--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Everything But The Nuclear Sink Bill
       By: Confederacy of Turkducken Date: July 13, 2015, 4:09 am
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       Who's the Secretary of State?
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       Re: Everything But The Nuclear Sink Bill
       By: david090366 Date: July 13, 2015, 4:11 am
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       I think Texas.
       #Post#: 4207--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Everything But The Nuclear Sink Bill
       By: Confederacy of Turkducken Date: July 13, 2015, 4:13 am
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       I think the small mindedness is justified on the forums, as it
       is a lot of repeat business between the same members. I was
       really surprised when the EMC and the Confederacy of Liberty
       were removed from the map.
       #Post#: 4211--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Everything But The Nuclear Sink Bill
       By: david090366 Date: July 13, 2015, 4:44 am
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       Because the map is a tool primarily used here some time ago, in
       our first incarnation, we passed an amendment that if a nation
       did not post on the forum for 28 days, or 60 days with notice,
       they would be removed from the map. This was to free up space
       for new members. However, we had this "escape clause" in the old
       claim law that members could petition congress for expansions
       above the limit. This led to some issues so when we
       reconstituted the region, so to speak, it was removed and a
       tighter law put in its place.
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