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       #Post#: 2949--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What's your beef?
       By: Caos Date: July 1, 2015, 4:43 pm
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       Sparta is a horrible, HORRIBLE commander. I mean horrible. I
       don't want him leading us, no offense Sparta.
       West Phonecia, would you like me to show the TGs you sent me?
       As for everyone else, I'm letting them show themselves. Prove
       themselves. Enduranca is a very good RPer. Gondor is as well.
       #Post#: 2950--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What's your beef?
       By: West Phoenicia Date: July 1, 2015, 4:49 pm
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       Whats a TG?
       If you mean PM will you show where you cussed at me?
       I have not messaged you in ages.  Last messages were all
       instigated by yourself. I have already talked to CSM about this.
       All the mmessages will show is me constantly asking to be left
       alone. As you pick and pick and harras.
       #Post#: 2951--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What's your beef?
       By: Heavenly Paradise Date: July 1, 2015, 4:54 pm
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       Sparta, I retconn my words on my last post. I realize now that
       I've been very immature, and that you aren't evil. I was wrong.
       Sure, you have you faults, but you have gotten a lot better. Now
       I am ashamed. Even if what I said was true, it wasn't right to
       bash you like that during a Presidential campaign. It wasn't the
       time or the place. I have nothing to be proud of. I'm sorry for
       bashing you, Sparta. I should give you the benefit of the doubt.
       Let's bury the hatchet. I promise to never do that again.
       #Post#: 2956--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What's your beef?
       By: Caos Date: July 1, 2015, 5:37 pm
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       I was a Moderator. I have a right to PM you and ask you about
       something or tell you to stop doing something. All you did was
       just throw crap at me, give me an attitude, and treat me like
       shit. And you STILL treat me like shit. Even now.
       #Post#: 2964--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What's your beef?
       By: West Phoenicia Date: July 1, 2015, 5:50 pm
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       All I did was defend myself. A mod does not cuss at another
       player.  You do not give constructive.  feedback you give
       attitude.
       But quick history lesson. On the previous site when you were
       banned for what you were doing and saying. Against the advise of
       long term players I voted to bring you back. I never knew you so
       I thought I would give you a chance. What did I get in return?
       Hateful messages from you. Rudeness and an ooc comment wishing I
       was dead as you hate me.
       Wishing someone to die is disgusting. And it was the reason you
       were removed again.  So you wonder why I do my best to avoid
       interaction with you? I dont tolerate people who give hateful
       death threats like that.
       I am not treating you like **** don't try and turn public
       sympathy to you. When you don't get your way every player here
       will feel your venom and abuse. And people it aint pretty.
       #Post#: 2965--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What's your beef?
       By: Caos Date: July 1, 2015, 5:56 pm
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       You realize this *was* About a half to full year ago? And back
       then I wished, not THREATENED, you. You seem to get those mixed
       up. Yes, I'm human. I will cuss you out when you sit there
       acting all smug and talking shit in my face when I, a MODERATOR,
       tells you to stop. And you don't listen. Not once, not twice,
       but more. You gave me attitude after attitude, BS after BS,
       harassment after harassment, and I gave up dealing with you. Now
       you sit here talking shit about me again. And even worse:
       bringing up something totally irrelevant, just to try to make me
       look bad.
       #Post#: 2968--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What's your beef?
       By: Caos Date: July 1, 2015, 6:12 pm
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       Got five pics here of you telling me to stop 'harassing' you
       after I told you to follow the rules and play nice. Want me to
       bring up your forum posts?
       You seem to have an issue differentiating between me getting
       pissed because something doesn't go my way, and me showing that,
       no, this isn't realistic. I'm sorry if you have NO IDEA what I'm
       talking about half the time, but you don't need to know
       everything. I've researched time and time again and when I see
       something wrong, I point it out.
       You on the other hand threw a hissy fit when 20 warships and 5
       subs entered your waters, proceeded to act like I didn't exist,
       then said that no one could ever enter your waters, then babbled
       about how you didn't have to follow the constitution, and when I
       told you to start following the constitution, you started
       bitching at me. And said I was 'harassing' you. Every other
       damned post by you is you complaining about how I'm 'unfair',
       'harassing', 'evil', 'the same person'. You even go so far as to
       rudely bring up my past, which I've gotten PAST.
       Now, you don't need to forgive me, you don't need to forget it,
       and you don't need to interact beyond the necessary, but when
       you start using that as an excuse to whine, complain, moan, pull
       a MASSIVE attitude, act like a toddler and throw a tantrum, then
       message me for NO REASON just to tell me to stop talking to YOU
       and to stop harassing YOU is when YOU cross the goddamned line,
       son.
       That's when YOU become the bully and I become the victim. And
       through this all I've been respecting your wishes, and I've even
       apologized multiple times. But if you wanted me to be a better
       person, acting like a bitch towards me just sets me and everyone
       else up, only so you can point and say "Look guys! He's angry!
       QED he wants me dead! Oooooh no!"
       Maybe you don't understand respect. Maybe you just don't get
       this. In that case please step out the door. We don't need this.
       I don't need this. But I have a duty and obligation towards this
       region, and a debt I have to pay, and if YOU get in my goddamned
       face one more time, I'm popping the safeties off and letting
       loose, you hear me, West Phonecia? Now if you want to man up,
       suck up your pride and talk like a god damned man about this, I
       will be glad to do the same. But if you come barging in here ONE
       MORE TIME, I will delete your posts, because I don't need your
       bullshit. Not. Again.
       #Post#: 2973--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What's your beef?
       By: West Phoenicia Date: July 1, 2015, 6:29 pm
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       I did not barge in here.
       Witnesses can see. Apart from your irrational attitude right
       now. You mentioned me in the first post. If you dont want
       somebody to comment than maybe not mention them. You cant have
       it both ways.
       You instigated this.  Im quite happy in this region there are
       tons of players here. You're the only one that seems to have an
       issue. So stop thinking you alone own this room. This room is
       for everybody.
       and im not using any excuses. You never apologised for your
       death threat. And there is no need to cuss and belittle people
       as you do. Don't scream no one is giving you respect when you
       dont show an ounce.
       feel free to delete my post. But people have eyes. They are
       aware you started this thread. And you mentioned me in your
       opening thread.
       #Post#: 2982--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What's your beef?
       By: Caos Date: July 1, 2015, 6:53 pm
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       I actually didn't threaten you. Once again, false accusations.
       And you did forget the apologies I had made when I was ousted.
       If you would like me to once again apologize, then so be it, I
       shall. Just ask.
       That's because you don't bother anyone else, West Phonecia. I've
       given respect to everyone here. But you constantly tried tipping
       the line and baited and harassed me. I don't belittle, and yes,
       there is a reason. Your infuriating lack of respect to
       authority. Just right there you made an excuse to act like you
       did.
       No, the post you made was fair and civil. No need to delete it.
       #Post#: 2993--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What's your beef?
       By: david090366 Date: July 1, 2015, 8:16 pm
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       If I may interject here a bit. I think part of the issue is that
       we have some people who are well versed in military science, and
       some not so much, and a few somewhere in the middle. The people
       who are well versed need to try using nudges rather than sledge
       hammers, at first, with the people who aren't when they are
       trying to bring the RPs into a more realistic realm. I know that
       when you see something that is outlandish the first urge is to
       simply say WTF, but you need to realize that not everyone may
       have your level of knowledge on a subject and may simply be
       doing what they are doing out of either oversight or simple
       ignorance of the topic.
       People who are being modded need to remember that what the mods
       are trying to do is simply make this a believable place to RP
       in. Things can't be done overnight in the real world and they
       shouldn't be done that way here either. Likewise you can't make
       a car if you haven't invented the wheel yet. I myself will often
       take a day or two of thought before I post something in RP just
       to decide how I'm going to do it, and what would seem the most
       believable. Try not to be resistant when people are giving
       advice, you may just learn something. If you use this as an
       educational process instead of a pissing contest it will make
       you a better role player in the end.
       In the end the best thing to remember is that if you see
       something that makes you angry, don't post right then and there.
       Take a breather, wait a bit, then come back when you can be
       rational. Also, if you are trying to do some modding in a
       thread, try doing it by PM fist (once again when you are able to
       be rational) nobody likes to be told "how stupid what the are
       doing is" in public, it's embarrassing. And above all try to be
       excellent to each other!
       I'll end this with a real life example of something, the J.J
       Abrams Star Trek Movies. I am a Trekkie, a rabid Trekkie. I have
       seen every series and every movie multiple times. I can even
       tell you the names of many of the original series episodes. Yes,
       I'm that bad. So, when the new movies first started coming out I
       was elated, of course. Then I saw them and was severely
       disappointed. Because my knowledge of the past Star Trek
       universe ruined them for me. All I saw was things that were
       wrong with them. Spock is supposed to suppress emotions and
       Vulcans only seek to mate once every seven years. He wouldn't be
       having an ongoing relationship with Uhura, let alone be caught
       in a turbo lift in a lip lock. A starship can't travel from
       Earth to the Klingon home world and back in one day, they aren't
       that fast. Communicators are for ship to shore communication,
       they don't have the range to communicate between worlds. Etc.
       Etc.
       My wife, on the other hand, who is not so much of a Star Trek
       fan enjoys the movies. She thought they were wonderful scifi
       action movies without the cultural subtext Star Trek has often
       had and all the techno babble.
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