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Re: Operation Blackout OOC
By: Caos Date: July 14, 2015, 1:31 pm
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When I say something or do something, I can tell you exactly how
and why it happens. You don't do that, but you don't need to.
But you don't even know what you use, or how you use it. It's
like playing with a man who thinks he's invincible. You can't
tell him otherwise, because he doesn't listen!
#Post#: 4375--------------------------------------------------
Re: Operation Blackout OOC
By: Heavenly Paradise Date: July 14, 2015, 10:26 pm
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Sparta, I would like you to show some evidence for your point of
view. Like a link to a military science website maybe, or a news
article? I say that only to be fair, as I do believe that
questionable elements in RPs need to be substantiated. If you
can reasonably back up your claims, then I will rule in your
favor.
On that same hand, Caos, you've got to show Sparta some more
respect. You're saying he doesn't change, just like I did. He
has changed in the fact that he at least does Some research.
He's gotten better, and he will get better if you refrain from
saying "look at every effing detail" and "stop your bullshit." A
little kindness goes a long way, and that's coming from a meanie
like me.
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Re: Operation Blackout OOC
By: Sparta Date: July 15, 2015, 9:16 am
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HTML http://sputniknews.com/military/20150304/1019042643.html
^link to where my jamming system comes from
HTML http://www.clusterbombs.org.uk/cluster-munitions/how-do-they-work/
^this is how cluster bombs work. So this jamming system
can/could jam the bombs sensor that makes it begin to spin. So,
this would stop the bombs from opening. It would still do damage
but just not as widespread. The jamming system also would make
the guiding systems fail so some of the bombs will miss their
targets. Even if the bomb opens and releases the small
submunitions since the jamming system didn't allow the bomb to
spin and open they would all fall in one area not that big and
wouldn't cause high damage. Am I right in saying this or wrong
Gondor?
#Post#: 4387--------------------------------------------------
Re: Operation Blackout OOC
By: Heavenly Paradise Date: July 15, 2015, 10:03 am
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That is very smart, Sparta. You've actually backed your stuff
up. I would say that you could jam the guidance and sensors like
you say. But before I make a final decision, I need to look at
Caos's r&d thread, as well as the IC thread.
#Post#: 4388--------------------------------------------------
Re: Operation Blackout OOC
By: Heavenly Paradise Date: July 15, 2015, 10:56 am
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Isn't there a difference between GPS and radar guided bombs?
Caos's cluster bombs aren't your everyday cluster bombs, like
the GBUs. They are specifically designed to find a target with
lasers and infared, then the GPS guides it to the target. And
this jamming system jams radar. See, Sparta?
[quote]In Secret
The Air Force, navy, and Army are working to develop a 'smart'
cluster bomb. The bomb will have guided capabilities with a CEP
of 10 meters, and a range of 35 miles, working off inertial and
GPS guidance to it's target. Inside is twelve explosive
canisters carrying four individual bombs each. The smaller
bombs, nicknamed pellets, contain a laser and infrared scanner.
When the canisters are launched out of the bomb, each one fires
off four pellets in such a way that two pellets rarely target a
single target. These pellets then scan rapidly for a target, and
upon seeing one, fires off a 2lb directed energy charge with a
penetration of 400 mm RHA. It is designed to attack from the top
of the target, and currently there is no defense against it, as
it is a molten stream.
The pellet also fires off its shrapnel pads, showering the area
with deadly shrapnel. If a target is not found, it will detonate
or become inert, minimizing casualties.
This same cluster bomb can also be used to carry 12 HEAT or HESH
canisters, which are large HEAT or HESH warheads and are guided
by themselves.[/quote]
GPS guidance and radar guidance are two different things. So,
your jamming system wouldn't have much effect on his bombs.
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Re: Operation Blackout OOC
By: Sparta Date: July 15, 2015, 12:25 pm
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Can you please link me where he developed this?
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Re: Operation Blackout OOC
By: Sparta Date: July 15, 2015, 12:29 pm
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Okay nevermind I found it. However the jamming systems would jam
his sensors still so it wouldn't spin and open at the height it
was pre-programmed to right?
#Post#: 4395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Operation Blackout OOC
By: Heavenly Paradise Date: July 15, 2015, 1:12 pm
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Okay. I have come up with a ruling here. The jamming system that
you have Sparta is for radio-electronic systems, which is for
radar. His bomb is not radar guided, and it has multiple systems
for targeting. It would seem to me that you wouldn't have much
effect, taking into account his inertial guidance system. Also,
you wouldn't be able to detect the bomb because for that you
need artillery radar, and Caos's bombs use stealth technology,
so even then it would be a small RCS.
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_guidance_system
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Re: Operation Blackout OOC
By: Caos Date: July 15, 2015, 1:18 pm
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I thought this was common place.... Anyway...
Here. That specific cluster bomb uses infrared and lasers to
target tanks, but the actual delivery system uses two guidances:
inertial/gps, and laser.
The laser is a secondary. If there is a man on the ground, he
simply points it and aims it, or if it's a smart 'dumb' bomb (Ie
All one material) it uses infrared and lasers to lock onto a
moving target.
Inertial is what I was saying is impossible to jam. You can jam
radar and sonar, yes, but you cannot jam simple hardware, like
inertial, and it's incredibly hard to jam GPS.
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_guidance_system
I use this system. In addition to outboard sensors, such as a
laser range finder, altimeter, and a unit for measuring speed, I
use this system and GPS to correct it.
So, in theory, you CAN jam radar, but how would you know I
launched cluster bombs, if you couldn't see them on radar?
Bombs barely show up on radar as it is, and the system would
just ignore it; it flies too slowly. You'd basically be saying
"cool bird". Add to that a stealthy coating and, it's basically
impossible to see.
#Post#: 4458--------------------------------------------------
Re: Operation Blackout OOC
By: Sparta Date: July 16, 2015, 12:13 pm
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Caos before I post my response what would be the extent of the
damage?
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