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       Re: Naruto 644 Discussion and 645 Predictions
   DIR By: Tobirama
       Date: August 31, 2013, 11:20 am
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       Bro we need to make a thread on this in NB ( if you're on there
       arms well as here ) , on a plus note though: at least Kishimpto
       managed to keep the Samurai more down to earth and realistic.
       But sadly they're useless. Kishimotos writing has gotten far
       worse than it was in part one because in part one it all added
       up.
       ( please refrain from walls of text. Paragraphing helps as it
       makes the post seem smaller and make people more willing to read
       it xD ), I didn't mind the wide scale Edo Tensei , but Kiji
       fodderized the current generation of Kage with the ones
       summoned. If he made them around a similar level in strength to
       current then we couldn't have this problem.
       Madara,Nagato and Hashirama were way too powerful to begin with.
       Kabuto also shouldn't have been defeated so easily. It would
       feel a lot more like a war if the regular not do overpowered
       shinobi had people to fight ( these people being the Edo Tensei
       summons whom were still active ). If Kabuto was still around
       that would also give the five kage someone to fight. And if
       Kabuto was still around: Muu would still be around and then
       perhaps some people might die for once.
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       Re: Naruto 644 Discussion and 645 Predictions
   DIR By: Kogane
       Date: August 31, 2013, 11:30 am
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       --- Quote from: Tobirama link ---
       >
       > Madara,Nagato and Hashirama were way too powerful to begin
       with. Kabuto also shouldn't have been defeated so easily. It
       would feel a lot more like a war if the regular not do
       overpowered shinobi had people to fight ( these people being the
       Edo Tensei summons whom were still active ). If Kabuto was still
       around that would also give the five kage someone to fight. And
       if Kabuto was still around: Muu would still be around and then
       perhaps some people might die for once.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Madara and Nagato are both powered to the level of what
       should only be given to a final villain, so I agree completely
       with you there. I also agree about Kabuto and Muu, and the fact
       they're leaving the 5 Kage out of the current fight is probably
       because there's simply nothing for them to do. It's too messy as
       it is whenever Kishi remembers to throw in the Konoha 11 he
       wasted an entire chapter hyping up.
       I don't really understand why Kishi is so hesitant to kill
       anybody, especially when they're going to have to be removed at
       some point anyways (cough, Tsunade) for the plot to come to
       closure. To have everybody on the verge of death 100 times
       doesn't give a real sense of danger when they're saved or
       asspulled out every single time. I thought that Onoki and
       Tsunade going down vs. Madara was plausible although the power
       of the antagonists is far, far too top heavy. But of course,
       everyone's  okey dokey and taking their sweet time..
       To me, it just looks like Kishi's playing with action figures
       and he doesn't want to put any of them away.
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