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ECA Stack
By: ANIMAL Date: June 1, 2019, 1:49 pm
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ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin)
Originally posted by PartyBoy 14/09/2004
Also see article on MT
Ephedrine & Ephedra, and the Associated Alkaloids and Compounds
which includes information on ECA and herbal preparations. It's
a very detailed article:
Ephedrine & Ephedra
ECA = Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin stack
Standard dosage would be:
Ephedrine 20-30mgs
Caffeine 200mg (equivalent to approx 2.5 cups of coffee)
Aspirin 75mg
the theoretical ratio is E:C:A=1:10:3
Ephedrine and Caffeine have been shown to work synergistically;
that is, the total is greater than the sum of the parts ie.
1+1=3
They work TOGETHER to promote weight-loss, boost energy and
enhance athletic performance. It's debatable as to the
importance of aspirin in the grand scheme. It is included in the
hope that it acts as a prostaglandin inhibitor and an enhancer
of lipolytic activity. I believe it not to be an essential
ingredient; indeed, many people are intolerant to Aspirin.
Another thing worth noting is that ECA has some anti-catabolic
properties, which means that we can retain some muscle even
while cutting.
To give you an idea, eph is a central nervous system stimulant
and, therefore, works in a similar way as Clenbuterol. However,
eph increases your metabolism by about 3% whereas clen increases
your metabolism by 5-10%. Although it may appear that eph is
second rate when compared to Clen, it more than makes up for it
when you consider the strong appetite suppressive qualities,
something which is very important when exposed to calorie
restriction.
It is recommended that users start their ECA stack by using just
one dosing (as per above dosages) per day, either first thing in
the morning 30minutes before breakfast, or 30minutes prior to
their workout/cardio. Many find that this will provide them with
plenty of stimulation and will negate the necessity to increase
the frequency of dosages for maybe a week or more. In time, the
user becomes more tolerant of the effects and will look to
progress to 2 dosings per day. It is considered that 3 dosings
per day is the maximum that a user should consume, with the last
dose taken prior to 6pm to avoid sleep problems. Cycle length
would normally be limited to 12 weeks, so the prospective user
must give consideration to how long they will need to reach
their goals. Should this exceed 12 weeks, then the ECA should be
introduced later into the cutting regime, not immediately at the
outset. I would then advise taking at least 12 weeks abstinence
from ECA use to limit over-dependance problems.
As a first timer, you will experience a wired feeling, perhaps
to the extent of being a bit "jumpy". This is normal, and
gradually subsides. Heart rate will increase with many users
conciously aware of this occurrence. Also, you will probably
notice an increase in gym performance, especially during aerobic
activity (cardio). It's worth pointing out that anyone with
heart problems or high blood pressure should NOT use ephedrine
or similar products.
In addition to pharmaceutical Ephedrine hydrochloride (hcl),
there is also Mother Nature that we can turn to for essentially
the same ECA stack:
HERBAL VERSIONS
The herbal form of ephedrine is Ma Huang. The plant is
standardised to varying degrees so the user must calculate
exactly how much eph is contained in the preparation. For
example, MaHuang 335mg (6% ephedrine) is the equivalent of 20mg
pure ephedrine. As such, one version isn’t "stronger than the
other" as long as the quantities are respected. The only snag
with herbal versions is that we don’t know what the other 90%
of the herb is doing to out body!
Guarana Extract (22% caffeine) therefore 910mg of guarana is
equivalent of 200mg caffeine.
Kola nut contains 20% caffeine
Lastly, White Willow Bark (15% salicin) is the equivalent of
Aspirin.
You can buy either eph hcl or a ready made herbal stack from
www.astronutrition.com . My personal favourite available at
present would be something like 'Grenade' available from Muscle
Finesse. Strong, sound product, albiet slightly 'tut' worthy
packaging!
Alternatively, visit Boots and ask for "Do Do Chesteze".
Chesteze helps when you have a tight chest so u can tell the
vendor that your chest isn’t too good. One chesteze contins
18.3mg ephedrine. it also contains theophylline. Some people
react to theophylline so if you are using chesteze, always start
at a low dose for the first 3 days to see how you will react.
Caffeine can be bought from various online retailers (
www.myprotein.co.uk www.monstersupplements.com etc) or can be
bought from chemists or your local supermarket in the form of
ProPlus, though these work out more expensive than the online
options. (each proplus pill contains 50mg caffeine)
Possible Side Effects
Anxiety, shaking, increased sweating, lightheadedness,
dizziness, light headache, gastrointestinal distress, insomnia,
irregular heartbeat, increased heart rate, heart palpitations,
inreased blood pressure, stroke, seizures, psychosis etc..people
who are easily depressed should be on a watch out because the
eph will increase their depression. Increased sweating/heat
production means you need to drink more water. Moreover,
ephedrine can be addictive if taken for more than 6 months.
Ephedrine - UK and US law
Originally posted by PartyBoy 3/8/2007
This has been very much a grey area so I thought a post might be
in order for clarification.
U.K.
Ephedrine hydrocholride is a Prescription Only Medicine product
unless it meets the following exemption:
30mg maximum dose
60mg maximum daily dose
Having met these exemptions, the status is reduced from POM, to
Pharmacy medicines (P) - which must be sold under the
supervision of a pharmacist registered by the Royal
Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain (RPSGB). This product
cannot therefore legally be supplied from a non-pharmacy outlet.
However, if you were to purchase a 'P' medicine from a
non-pharmacy outlet then it would not be yourself as purchaser,
who is breaking the law, but the supplier. Of course, by
obtaining such a product from a non-regulated supplier, there
can be no guarantees of the product contents or potency.
Not all countries regulate medicines in the same way as the UK,
therefore you may be able to purchase ephedrine hydrochloride
without the need for a pharmacist in another country should
their own law allow such sales. It is possible to bring
medicines into the UK for personal use, however please be aware
that up to a three month supply is considered 'personal use',
anything above this could be stopped and seized by customs as
they may have concerns that the products may be subsequently
sold or supplied to others (which would be illegal).
In regard to the regulations above, it appears that the
situation is very similar to those for anabolic steroids:
Legal to posess for personal use; Illegal to sell or supply.
This is the law as it stands today. However, there have recently
been proposals to re-classify ephedrine HCL's status from (P) to
POM due largely to the Governments worry that Methamphetamine
usage could spread in a similar fashion to that which has been
witnessed in USA. Methamphetamine ("Crystal Meth" or "Ice") was
reclassified as a Class A substance in January 2007 and there
has been concern that ephedrine and pseudoephedrine is being
isolated from well known cold remedies sold at the moment as (P)
Phamacy Medicines. Once isolated, these substances are used in
the manufacture of Methamphetamine.
Should this reclassification occur (which imo is very likely),
this will remove the option to obtain ephedrine from such
sources. As such, we will be left with the option of purchasing
from an unauthorised supplier within the U.K., or purchasing
from an (un)authorised supplier from overseas.
U.S.
The legal status of ephedrine Stateside is constantly changing
amidst court appeals and counter appeals.
The story so far:
12th April 2004:
FDA bans sales amid health concerns following some high profile
deaths claimed to have resulted from ephedrine use -
HTML http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2004/NEW01050.html
13th April 2005:
A federal court in Salt Lake City ruled that the analysis shown
by the FDA to instigate the initial ban was improper as it
weighed risks with benefits. The Dietary Supplement Health and
Education Act (DSHEA) however only requires risk to be assessed.
Supplement companies are not required to show 'benefit', rather
the FDA is required to show 'risk'. The court also ruled that
the FDA did not have sufficient evidence to suggest that a dose
of 10mg or under presented a “significant or unreasonable risk
of illness or injury”.
The FDA filed a notice of appeal with the 10th Circuit Court of
Appeals, but for now ephedrine was back on the menu.
17th Aug 2006:
U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit in Denver upheld the
inital FDA ban which effectively negates the reversal ruling in
Utah, April 2005 (which allowed sale).
HTML http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2006/NEW01434.html
So at the present time ephedra/ephedrine is banned for sale in
the U.S
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Re: ECA Stack
By: Bookerman Date: June 1, 2019, 2:55 pm
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I havent done that in years but man the feel good factor that
eph gave me the first time I took it was great lol. Felt like I
could take on the world
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Re: ECA Stack
By: ANIMAL Date: June 1, 2019, 3:14 pm
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[quote author=Bookerman link=topic=42.msg373#msg373
date=1559418958]
I havent done that in years but man the feel good factor that
eph gave me the first time I took it was great lol. Felt like I
could take on the world
[/quote]
I back when I was risqu I used to smoke a fatty and drop an ECA
and do laps round an athletics track.. was amazing, I could
keep going and going ...
#Post#: 376--------------------------------------------------
Re: ECA Stack
By: Dr Z Date: June 1, 2019, 3:45 pm
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Does real Ephedrine even exist anymore? I am pretty certain that
most of the stuff I have seen passed off as Ephedrine, just
isn't. Some have for sure worked as a stimulant, but felt
nothing like Ephedrine used to for me, not that I have tried
any for a while. (Not asking for a source, just wondering)
#Post#: 396--------------------------------------------------
Re: ECA Stack
By: guest5 Date: June 1, 2019, 11:17 pm
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We used to down a pint of 'Ultimate Orange' or neck a few
'Stackers' prior to going out on the piss. That was the good old
days prior to ephedrine being banned in supplements. It was good
for us boys serving as it wasn't illegal or tested for in drug
tests. Neither were AAS thank God lol.
#Post#: 491--------------------------------------------------
Re: ECA Stack
By: doc Date: June 2, 2019, 11:48 am
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[quote author=Zoidberg MD link=topic=42.msg376#msg376
date=1559421931]
Does real Ephedrine even exist anymore? I am pretty certain that
most of the stuff I have seen passed off as Ephedrine, just
isn't. Some have for sure worked as a stimulant, but felt
nothing like Ephedrine used to for me, not that I have tried
any for a while. (Not asking for a source, just wondering)
[/quote]
I haven't seen any since 2005
since then its been caffeine, later on it went to germanium
root, then DMAA , then some odd prop blends , some have been
stronger than amphetamine and make you feel really odd . All of
the ECA stacks i've had tested lately where caffeine or a mix of
caffeine and DMAA , even this stuff is super hard to get hold
off now though . For my last comp I used monster energy drinks
and kratom
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