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Re: Anyone try carnivore?
By: Mikegov Date: September 19, 2019, 11:18 am
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The article I linked to actually reference a number of meta-
analysis all of which did not show any benefit to fibre intake
in combating heart disease and bowel cancer.
The reason I referenced the article was not simply because it
referenced meta-analysis but because it showed how a lot of how
our dietary guidelines originate with vested interest jumping in
to profit from theories that do not turn out to be true.
Mike
#Post#: 4745--------------------------------------------------
Re: Anyone try carnivore?
By: doc Date: September 20, 2019, 6:00 am
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[quote author=Mikegov link=topic=175.msg4719#msg4719
date=1568909905]
The article I linked to actually reference a number of meta-
analysis all of which did not show any benefit to fibre intake
in combating heart disease and bowel cancer.
The reason I referenced the article was not simply because it
referenced meta-analysis but because it showed how a lot of how
our dietary guidelines originate with vested interest jumping in
to profit from theories that do not turn out to be true.
Mike
[/quote]
true , but I can post a lot of meta's that show fibre is linked
with a direct decrease of CVD and higher mortality , veganism is
one extreme, carnivore is another , personally think you can
have a balance between the two and be fine.
I like meat and et a lot of it, I also eat a lot of dairy,
bread, veg , fibre and EFA's , we can survive on either , i just
think skipping food groups to stay part of a diet tribe is a bit
dumb . If im dieting then im going to fill up on veg , if im
bulking I am going to throw some bread/rice and nuts in there .
when my diet was completely devoid of fibre I did get some
serious piles ( possibly a coincidence)
#Post#: 4756--------------------------------------------------
Re: Anyone try carnivore?
By: Mikegov Date: September 20, 2019, 11:00 am
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[quote author=doc link=topic=175.msg4745#msg4745
date=1568977241]
[quote author=Mikegov link=topic=175.msg4719#msg4719
date=1568909905]
The article I linked to actually reference a number of meta-
analysis all of which did not show any benefit to fibre intake
in combating heart disease and bowel cancer.
The reason I referenced the article was not simply because it
referenced meta-analysis but because it showed how a lot of how
our dietary guidelines originate with vested interest jumping in
to profit from theories that do not turn out to be true.
Mike
[/quote]
true , but I can post a lot of meta's that show fibre is linked
with a direct decrease of CVD and higher mortality , veganism is
one extreme, carnivore is another , personally think you can
have a balance between the two and be fine.
I like meat and et a lot of it, I also eat a lot of dairy,
bread, veg , fibre and EFA's , we can survive on either , i just
think skipping food groups to stay part of a diet tribe is a bit
dumb . If im dieting then im going to fill up on veg , if im
bulking I am going to throw some bread/rice and nuts in there .
when my diet was completely devoid of fibre I did get some
serious piles ( possibly a coincidence)
[/quote]
So if we can both post metas showing opposite results then the
need for fibre seems far from conclusive.
I am with you regarding the tribal aspects of diet although to
be fair from the podcasts I've listened to/articles I've read
about; the carnivores in question have never come across as
anything but people who realise, that for them, vegetable
consumption is problematic and that perhaps more people should
consider that if they are also having similar problems. That
attitude is far removed from the militancy and histrionics that
seems to pervade the vegan tribe.
Mike
#Post#: 4757--------------------------------------------------
Re: Anyone try carnivore?
By: doc Date: September 20, 2019, 11:50 am
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[quote author=Mikegov link=topic=175.msg4756#msg4756
date=1568995224]
[quote author=doc link=topic=175.msg4745#msg4745
date=1568977241]
[quote author=Mikegov link=topic=175.msg4719#msg4719
date=1568909905]
The article I linked to actually reference a number of meta-
analysis all of which did not show any benefit to fibre intake
in combating heart disease and bowel cancer.
The reason I referenced the article was not simply because it
referenced meta-analysis but because it showed how a lot of how
our dietary guidelines originate with vested interest jumping in
to profit from theories that do not turn out to be true.
Mike
[/quote]
true , but I can post a lot of meta's that show fibre is linked
with a direct decrease of CVD and higher mortality , veganism is
one extreme, carnivore is another , personally think you can
have a balance between the two and be fine.
I like meat and et a lot of it, I also eat a lot of dairy,
bread, veg , fibre and EFA's , we can survive on either , i just
think skipping food groups to stay part of a diet tribe is a bit
dumb . If im dieting then im going to fill up on veg , if im
bulking I am going to throw some bread/rice and nuts in there .
when my diet was completely devoid of fibre I did get some
serious piles ( possibly a coincidence)
[/quote]
So if we can both post metas showing opposite results then the
need for fibre seems far from conclusive.
I am with you regarding the tribal aspects of diet although to
be fair from the podcasts I've listened to/articles I've read
about; the carnivores in question have never come across as
anything but people who realise, that for them, vegetable
consumption is problematic and that perhaps more people should
consider that if they are also having similar problems. That
attitude is far removed from the militancy and histrionics that
seems to pervade the vegan tribe.
Mike
[/quote]
Agree and as there is conflicting info ( I would say far more in
favour of fibre being a good thing though)
then theres no real need to omit it , it's not proven harmful
for the majority and veg is a good source of other nutrients .
However whilst we can survive probably pretty well on either a
carnivore or a vegan diet I don't think either are optimal , I
think calorie control is probably better. If it was a case of
survival you would probably die on either of these diets and you
would end up eating both.
We don't have any lifelong carnivores or lifelong vegans so the
truth is a study could never be done and there are way too many
variables.
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