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#Post#: 781--------------------------------------------------
Manga and crowdfunding
By: Lumaria Date: July 9, 2016, 4:52 am
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You probably don't hear this a lot but a lot of manga fans want
to use crowdfunding such as Kickstarter and indiegogo.
Here's some examples:
HTML https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/heart-of-wildfire-project#/
HTML https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tephlonfunk/tephlon-funk/description
HTML https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1718932295/run-remember-ur-nature-parkour-manga-volume-1/description
Some are considered successfully funded. But, after that things
get really slow. I wanted to know what your thoughts are on it.
My opinion on this is mixed. I definitely remembered these
series before. Such as Heart of wildfire which still seams
extremely flawed to this day. And other series such as
Kickstarter.
Normally I recommend that if your series is finished, look for a
publisher. A well known publisher that has recently published
something good and not on the amateur spectrum.
Crowdfunding is finding the next ignorant person to get swept up
in the hype. And i usually say that because they use excitement
and not really show us how helping them succeed will prove to be
worth it for those who support it.
There are other projects that I'm happy were fully funded
(Bloodstained:Ritual of the night) but I wouldn't go to
crowdfunding unless I had a really convincing argument as to why
my ideas can win over the general oublic, and if they can, I'd
still look for a licensed publisher.
And when these campaigns fail, they just find another route.
Unfortunately they don't learn from them. In fact, I noticed a
lot that those who make these campaigns end up not taking in any
criticism even if they claim that they do.
What do you all think about relying on crowdfunding?
#Post#: 784--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manga and crowdfunding
By: HematoLogMeIn Date: July 9, 2016, 8:25 am
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Hmm...If crowd funding were used as a bridge between production
and going to a publisher, I think it's a wonderful way for the
artist (using that loosely here, be it literary or visual
artist, or even performance artist) to make sure that they can
support themselves until finalizing the project.
Relying solely on crowd funding isn't something I'm entirely
against either, because to me, it isn't about whether a work is
"published" or "indie", it's whether it's good or not. I don't
think it takes anything away from the work to have it funded one
way or another.
#Post#: 785--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manga and crowdfunding
By: KB Date: July 9, 2016, 10:31 am
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honestly I don't think the way you get your work published
matters, so long as the work itself is good. Kickstarter, Indie
, experienced publisher the only thing that matters is that work
itself.
#Post#: 786--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manga and crowdfunding
By: Lumaria Date: July 9, 2016, 3:06 pm
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My biggest problem with crowdfunding however is that it makes it
easier to sell a bad, flawed, or unrefined concept.
I don't knock the idea of getting published so long as it's good
either. But that's not always the case when it comes to these.
#Post#: 787--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manga and crowdfunding
By: HematoLogMeIn Date: July 9, 2016, 3:43 pm
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I'm just gonna throw out there that Twilight of all things
managed to be published professionally, so I'm gonna say that's
a two-way street. Not everything that gets published is
top-notch work either.
#Post#: 788--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manga and crowdfunding
By: Lumaria Date: July 10, 2016, 6:52 am
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Books is very different then comics. And Twilight was very
lucky. Twilight was rejected multiple times by multiple
publishers and even once it got published, it happened to have a
roll of its own.
The right people happened to bring it out of the shadow.
But like I said, I feel Kickstarter makes it easier. Especially
since you just invest in someone before seeing what the final
product will look like or so.
#Post#: 789--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manga and crowdfunding
By: HematoLogMeIn Date: July 10, 2016, 7:09 am
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I still can't bring myself to think of that as a bad thing, per
se. Even low-qual artists have to eat, after all. Besides, if
people want to invest their own money on something uncertain
that may have a poor product outcome, who's to tell them not to?
Free markets are strange places. I personally wouldn't invest in
something unless I knew that I appreciated what I invested in,
kind of like streaming a few song clips from an album before
buying it.
These things like kickstarter only expand the free market,
giving consumers more products to choose from. You could
certainly make the argument that too much choice might lead
people to do stupid things, and I'd agree with you there, but
for what it's all worth, I feel that something like this is
fairly harmless. Someone asks for money, and some people give it
of their own free will. Kind of anti-climatic if you ask me.
Hoopla.
#Post#: 790--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manga and crowdfunding
By: Lumaria Date: July 10, 2016, 7:13 am
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It's their choice to invest in someone. And I'm not arguing
about that.
But I've seen writers and artist just not learn from the
experience enough or don't learn the same things they do when
they do get published.
You're trying to argue the backers. I'm more tackling the people
who choose to rely on crowdfunding for distribution.
Technically once it's out there it's already published. So they
don't have to go to a licensed publisher or crowdfunding. But by
the act of choosing either is trying to make a work worth
looking at.
One just has a better learning process.
#Post#: 791--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manga and crowdfunding
By: HematoLogMeIn Date: July 10, 2016, 9:13 am
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You're probably absolutely right that they won't learn as much
this way as they would through the publishing and rejection
process, but there are many paths to being an artist, and this
is one of them. You don't have to like them, nor their work, nor
their methods, but if they get successful from it, then that's
just how life works.
Sure, it can be a little unfair when someone with limited skill
makes it big while someone who's been working for years honing
their craft sees no return on their investments in their work,
but this whole business is one of chance. Not everyone goes
about things the same way, and not everybody has the self-driven
motivation to constantly improve and get better. We can argue
all day whether or not that complacence some people have is
healthy or not, but that doesn't erase their success if they
make it.
No path is greater or less than another. While we can certainly
argue that some are more moral, or respectable, in the end, it's
a matter of "did you get what you want?" and not everybody wants
the same things. You clearly value diligence, and
self-progression, and lifelong learning, and this may be a wild
guess, but I'd gather that you're a bit of a perfectionist. None
of these things are inherently bad. That's just the path you're
on. We're actually quite similar in that regard, albeit in
different places. Even then, we're still clearly on two separate
journeys of life.
There's really infinite potential in everything, and that
infinity goes in both directions: Infinite potential for
success, and for failure. As such, one can rebound from a
rejection or make it through on something like this. Both are
still examples of the infinite ways the potential of success can
be attained. In a way, not having that extra experience or
guidance or learning could be taken as a failure, but again,
different people want different things.
Bah, this is getting overly-philosophical over a simple
question. I hope it doesn't sound too heated. I'm really just
musing with my fingers on a keyboard.
#Post#: 796--------------------------------------------------
Re: Manga and crowdfunding
By: Orchid Date: July 11, 2016, 6:02 am
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My personal experience from kickstarter has been bad. MIGHTY
No.9 really burned me.
Even the most professional developers screw up such awesome
idea.
Crowdfunding for manga? I haven't heard of it. But people do
what they want I guess. It doesn't sound too different from
being self published, right? Sounds like deviant art to me.
I can see what everyone saying. I guess it's the crowdfunding
trend. But for books and comics, it's different right?
How do you sell a story they've never read or think is good?
With mighty no.9 I was promised a demo and I played them. The
concept was right and we got to see more of it.
I'm really burned about that game though, so I'm super bias
(Sorry :C). I don't think all kickstarter are bad but I
personally think people have been leaning on kickstarter for
everything.
Indiegogo. Never heard of that either but they get to keep the
money even if it fails? That just a get out of jail free card!!
I have no real judgement on manga though. I never heard of these
manga but reading them through, they seem like stuff I already
see in deviantart.
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