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Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
By: Orchid Date: February 8, 2016, 3:44 am
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Forums are not perfect. You need the right admins to build it,
the right moderators to look over things. And clear rules that
anyone can follow.
I have had my fair share of bad experiences. I recently tried
forums related to western comics. It was brutal. There was a
large group of people who had a lot of problems with newcomers
opinions.
Ill bring up one real situation that happened to me. I was
talking about Batman series and everything strictly related to
it. I personally liked the new rendition of Jason Todd's
revival. It felt more related to Batman story. But a lot of fans
preferred the old version (which was closely related to Superman
prime story line, which is a bigger mess to get into).
Long story short, it was escalating, and fast. A lot of people
we're becoming more and more confrontational and calling me a
noob. As a newcomer, it is very difficult to use the report
button because of how new I am. But in the end, mods in this
specific forum didn't look into who did what. They just closed
the thread and allowed the hurtful things to remain.
I realized something. Just because someone closes a topic due to
rule breaking, that doesn't make the hurtful things go away. As
they say, "whoever has the last laugh wins". This really hurt me
in that forum. And when I expressed the forum about it, they
said I was over thinking it. But it wasn't that. No one got
punished, no one was warned (and I know this because they
continued to attack other topics).
Anyways, sorry for ranting. But I just want to make this forum
the best it can be. Let me know your personal situations here
(no judgement) so I can make sure we don't fall for the same
traps other forums do.
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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
By: Lumaria Date: February 8, 2016, 9:43 pm
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I know we discussed this before. But that is pretty common for
other forums to do this.
Moderators definitely need to look into the "last laugh"
scenario. This has caused a lot of people to continue their
behavior.
There are specific forums you just have to avoid:Anything
supporting SJW, anything supporting hentai, and anything
supporting extreme narrow mindedness. And yes, there are
specific forums out there that actively preech not having an
open mind. It is insane.
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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
By: 変態 Date: February 9, 2016, 10:44 pm
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An ordinary day at MR
[spoiler]
HTML http://i.imgur.com/K2W9Or0.jpg[/spoiler]
I often see people like that on MR, whether they are mod or a
regular/long-time user, it's like they share a common language -
to lecture newbies. It's like a mob mentality where even a
regular user enforces the rules themselves and what's worse,
everyone gangs up and just repeats what the others have already
been said.
For my personal experience: On my last day at MR, I saw a post
with a wrong spelling. All I did was correct it, no insults were
thrown and I didn't judge the person's writing/typing ability. I
did it with no malicious intent but simply to straighten it out.
On a quick glance, spelling and grammar corrections are most
often frowned upon and you could look like you're just trolling
around. Then this mod (should I name him?) PM'd me that I should
stop or I'll get banned. I replied and told him that I'm not
really that concerned and I called him he's being an internet
tough guy (which he shouldn't). Just that simple sentence, no
heated-arguments and I didn't even insult him (unless calling
him an internet tough guy is an insult) and I got the perma-ban.
Justice has been served. It didn't really solved any problem, no
clarifications, reasoning, or any opportunity to present views.
It was clearly a display of unskillful and inexperienced way of
handling cases and unprofessionalism.
I wasn't even a troll, I don't have a past records of trolling
and I don't remember leaving a bad impression for the community.
All my mistake was innocently correct a word.
So to summarize what I've experienced at MR so far are the mob
mentality, "Shoving the rules in your face", and inexperienced
mods.
---
Another case of mob mentality. I was at some game forum. There's
this post about seeking an artist, I posted on it and included
my price range then the people suddenly bashed at me for being
"greedy" for charging money for my services when the project is
non-commercial, they're just students, etc.... a lot of hate was
thrown at me, they didn't like "artists for hire", they wanted
those types that loves their work and does it for art, and
passion. Simply put, they prefer artist-slaves. I quit and asked
a mod the delete my account.
[quote author=Lumaria link=topic=50.msg380#msg380
date=1454989432]
Moderators definitely need to look into the "last laugh"
scenario. This has caused a lot of people to continue their
behavior. [/quote]
Reviewing past records/behavior helps too.
[quote author=Lumaria link=topic=50.msg380#msg380
date=1454989432]Anything supporting hentai.[/quote]
Am I in trouble now?
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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
By: Crackhead Johny Date: February 9, 2016, 11:20 pm
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I had a forum I had been on for more than 15 years tell me to
stop being me. PC/SJW had just become very fashionable there, so
they were cleaning house. Sadly there are only a few of the fun
regulars left there now.
As for hurt from things people may say to me.. Meh, I have been
stabbed, beaten with bats, had acute pancreatitis, gout, chronic
ulcer, I have been tortured by the police, and so many other
things. Words just tell me about the person saying them.
If I give someone facts not opinions and they are offended and
hurt, that speaks loads about them also.
On the other hand offending fanbois by suggesting that their
favorite is not the best, is the worst of crimes and they will
come after you for it. Suggest to a DBZ fan on an anime forum,
that Superman could beat up Goku and hell will rain down upon
you and you will see a dog pile that Odin himself would run
from. It is the one thing in their sad little lives and as it is
all they have, they will defend it with all they have.
They see themselves as potentially being the character and live
vicariously through the character's victories, to suggest the
character could lose is an attack on the fanboi's self.
I suspect that in shonen fighting anime the reason that the main
character almost always has guaranty of victory (son of a god,
super soldier from another planet but raised on earth, a 7 nosed
aardvark god is trapped in them, only master of the most deadly
martial art, etc) is that it allows the fans a reason why they
are not actually the character. Anime like Shadow Skill are less
popular because the characters get good by dedicating their life
to training and not by having a cheat that allows them to win
over "normal" people.
"they wanted those types that loves their work and does it for
art, and passion. Simply put, they prefer artist-slaves"
The thing about artists who "love their work and do it for art,
and passion" is that they tend to only do their own stuff.
As for "internet tough guy" being an insult.. Yep, it is a
pretty high insult.
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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
By: 変態 Date: February 9, 2016, 11:57 pm
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[quote author=Crackhead Johny link=topic=50.msg384#msg384
date=1455081604]I suspect that in shonen fighting anime the
reason that the main character almost always has guaranty of
victory (son of a god, super soldier from another planet but
raised on earth, a 7 nosed aardvark god is trapped in them, only
master of the most deadly martial art, etc) is that it allows
the fans a reason why they are not actually the character. Anime
like Shadow Skill are less popular because the characters get
good by dedicating their life to training and not by having a
cheat that allows them to win over "normal" people. [/quote]
Yeah, your typical shonen story. There's always a god-mode
background with the main characters which separates them from
the norm.
[quote author=Crackhead Johny link=topic=50.msg384#msg384
date=1455081604]As for "internet tough guy" being an insult..
Yep, it is a pretty high insult.[/quote]
I never knew. For me it was like "So you're a big guy huh?"
Well, the end wasn't pleasant anyway.
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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
By: Lumaria Date: February 10, 2016, 1:33 am
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[quote author=変態 link=topic=50.msg382#msg382
date=1455079440]
An ordinary day at MR
[spoiler]
HTML http://i.imgur.com/K2W9Or0.jpg[/spoiler]
I often see people like that on MR, whether they are mod or a
regular/long-time user, it's like they share a common language -
to lecture newbies. It's like a mob mentality where even a
regular user enforces the rules themselves and what's worse,
everyone gangs up and just repeats what the others have already
been said.[/quote] I think in that particular situation (and I
speak from experience from not only MR but inkblazers) that
people join just to get someone to help them on their work.
Its not a great way to keep the forum relevant. and I speak from
experience that I was one of those who told people to give more
on the idea so we knew more about it. but I think most times it
just needs to be said once and then a mod take over before it
gets out of hand.
But, the mob mentality happens in other places. MR manually
removes emails so it shows mods pay attention when they want to.
[Quote]
For my personal experience: On my last day at MR, I saw a post
with a wrong spelling. All I did was correct it, no insults were
thrown and I didn't judge the person's writing/typing ability. I
did it with no malicious intent but simply to straighten it out.
On a quick glance, spelling and grammar corrections are most
often frowned upon and you could look like you're just trolling
around. Then this mod (should I name him?) PM'd me that I should
stop or I'll get banned. I replied and told him that I'm not
really that concerned and I called him he's being an internet
tough guy (which he shouldn't). Just that simple sentence, no
heated-arguments and I didn't even insult him (unless calling
him an internet tough guy is an insult) and I got the perma-ban.
Justice has been served. It didn't really solved any problem, no
clarifications, reasoning, or any opportunity to present views.
It was clearly a display of unskillful and inexperienced way of
handling cases and unprofessionalism.
I wasn't even a troll, I don't have a past records of trolling
and I don't remember leaving a bad impression for the community.
All my mistake was innocently correct a word.
So to summarize what I've experienced at MR so far are the mob
mentality, "Shoving the rules in your face", and inexperienced
mods.[/quote] I noticed the exact same thing. MR has changed
completely and have shifted to a less critical but more rule
enforced (which some of their rules are bogus).
---
[Quote]
Another case of mob mentality. I was at some game forum. There's
this post about seeking an artist, I posted on it and included
my price range then the people suddenly bashed at me for being
"greedy" for charging money for my services when the project is
non-commercial, they're just students, etc.... a lot of hate was
thrown at me, they didn't like "artists for hire", they wanted
those types that loves their work and does it for art, and
passion. Simply put, they prefer artist-slaves. I quit and asked
a mod the delete my account.[/quote]
Artists need to eat is what you can say.
[quote]
Reviewing past records/behavior helps too.[/quote] I noticed in
MR, some members took full advantage of it.
[quote]
Am I in trouble now?
[/quote]I am referring to forums, not members. I noticed
communities mixed with hentai we're extremely rude and
anti-women. Sometimes they would instantly know even if I chose
a gender neutral name.
Then I would get a message from a couple women in the forum
telling me the forum is suoerceded by mysoginist.
These are some of the WORST forums I've ever been. And it's not
the ones exclusive to hentai, just the ones mixed in with it.
#Post#: 388--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
By: 変態 Date: February 10, 2016, 4:
52 am
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I actually don't mind one or two people asking for more
information about an OP's writer/artist search post but most
often, it really does get out of hand. I also don't like how
mods remove emails/links manually.
Tapastic is like that too.
Regarding h-forums. Fakku?
It's one of the few active community site I know so far. I've
been there. Intelligent discussions are rare, lots of trolls,
one-liner guys (posts and leaves, you can't even start a normal
discussion because they'll never check the topic back) and art
creation / collaborative activity is very dull.
#Post#: 390--------------------------------------------------
Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
By: Lumaria Date: February 10, 2016, 5:39 am
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[quote author=変態 link=topic=50.msg388#msg388
date=1455101562]
I actually don't mind one or two people asking for more
information about an OP's writer/artist search post but most
often, it really does get out of hand. I also don't like how
mods remove emails/links manually.
Tapastic is like that too.
Regarding h-forums. Fakku?
It's one of the few active community site I know so far. I've
been there. Intelligent discussions are rare, lots of trolls,
one-liner guys (posts and leaves, you can't even start a normal
discussion because they'll never check the topic back) and art
creation / collaborative activity is very dull.
[/quote]in terms of forums that support it. Theres just no
critical mind to it. I'm mixed in with a group that relies on
their personal fetishes and doesn't allow a comprehensive topic.
Fuwanovel was a place for visual novels but openly accept hentai
as a topic. But boy did I run into the biggest idiots in the
world.
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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
By: Crackhead Johny Date: February 17, 2016, 4:43 pm
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[quote author=変態 link=topic=50.msg385#msg385
date=1455083825]
[quote author=Crackhead Johny link=topic=50.msg384#msg384
date=1455081604]As for "internet tough guy" being an insult..
Yep, it is a pretty high insult.[/quote]
I never knew. For me it was like "So you're a big guy huh?"
Well, the end wasn't pleasant anyway.
[/quote]
Yeah, an internet tough guy is usually a loser who has been
bullied a lot and online tells stories about how dangerous they
are. So "internet tough guy" mean "Lying loser".
In your case it sounds like a little man who went power tripping
in his own tiny kingdom. Telling him this is still very
insulting, even if it is true. Sadly people who were bullied
sometimes rush to become bullies, as soon as they get a taste of
power.
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Re: Have you had a bad experience in another forum before?
By: Lumaria Date: February 18, 2016, 12:15 pm
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I noticed that some mods have this very behavior. Does power end
up twisting their minds or have they cheated the system from the
beginning?
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