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Credits/citations : Important ? Important (Read This !)
By: guest4 Date: September 12, 2016, 12:41 pm
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Crediting/citing the original creators work ... deemed not
important and/or not worth it to most of the users here on the
internet ... yep , that's internet for you . Thanks a lot for
adding a lot more work for us creditors who has been doing all
of this for you . This thread is made to highlight the
importance of doing such a simple act and how to do it (at
least) right in a more informal way . let me remind you that
this is from my voice on this matter , but regardless how it may
end up , the motive behind me speaking up on this matter does
indeed echo in that many other had voiced out the same concern
about this (Will be stated below) and at times . better . So ,
it is possible that I may not cover this issue entirely . If
there are anything left unanswered , leave a reply in this
thread and I or anyone may get to it .
The importance of crediting and citation
1. The obvious - avoiding getting put up on the wall of shame ,
blacklisted and worse , getting the ticket
Especially if you're using them for your work and don't even
bother citing/crediting back to the original source where you
took it from , and worse don't even bother asking for permission
to use it , always leads to an upgrade to lawsuit and it's easy
for it to occur ... really easy . The major issue is that paying
for one to happen is too costly , it's worth the time for the
initiator to precede into having one . Which is why art getting
stolen and going rogue/invisible is still on a rampant level .
Well , not recently . There have been cases of crowdfunding and
public shaming going on in order to combat this . Also , there
had been moves being made by major sites taking down works by
supporting the victims of said works and remove them when asked
. Though it's still quite at large , these issue is , it's
shrunken steadily thanks to raised awareness and joint rally
against such acts . So , serve this as a reminder - if you feel
like not doing it , you're going to be caught much easier .
2. Preventing art theft , plagiarism , rogue/invisible art and
misunderstanding on usage rights and ownership .
This . Happens . ALL THE TIME ! Whenever a creative work goes
uncredited while it gets circulated all around the internet ,
the more exposed it becomes to all of the above . by
citing/crediting them on your end , you effectively give
'identity' to the said works instead of ending up being another
one of the millions rogue/invisible works , waiting for the
unscrupulous bunch of ingrates to steal and make big bucks out
of them . Trust me , it's very easy for this to happen , here's
one example I've written before :
[quote]
[spoiler]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI-LOQqhTrU[/spoiler]
Read the description in the video . I'm sure you'd ask "Well ,
this person did give credits there !" Yes , it's a credit but
aside from the fact it is a theme song of Flandre Scarlet , it's
not the right song title
HTML http://impossible-music.wikia.com/wiki/Faerie's_Aire_and_Death_Waltz<br
/>. You know what's worse , as the video description says , this
person had stated that this is his/her song (along with others)
. Guess what , big NO :
[spoiler]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F7GNQAO4T4[/spoiler]
This is the original . "But wait , this is a MIDI remix ! It
didn't cite it's original music where it came from ! And there's
no song title and name either as well !"
Before we get to that , let me just say this . The video is the
ORIGINAL midi , made by ProPianoTutorials . So , for the case of
the first one above , the user is utterly guilty for this . But
that does not make the user who made the second youtube video
any less guiltier ... well , a tiny bit less , but guilty
nonetheless .
This person (ProPianoTutorials) didn't state the non-MIDI
original remix , nor the song title and the theme song for who
or worse , the original music and who created the song in the
first place .
[spoiler]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLWwFjT-Rrc[/spoiler]
Different remix , but here's the huge difference . Most of the
solid credits are there except for one , but I can excuse this .
"That's very unfair of you , targeting me for this while you
don't accuse this person for not properly crediting ..." . If I
don't know who made this remix or it's original form to begin
with and I decide to look for it basing on the credits given by
this person who made the video , I'm going to be thankful to
this person for providing these credits because all of those
credits are real , missing though that the fact that the
original composer of the original song is not there (again ,
it's excusable due to the ample amount of authentic credits) .
This person had that courtesy to even link you to the original
remix he/she used for the MIDI . Talk about being respectful ,
selfless and good-willed !
[spoiler]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDz9X2X3MTc[/spoiler]
The original remix . Guess what ? This person who uploaded the
video did not make the remix and guess what again ? This person
like the above , made an effort (hardly even) to give credits to
this as well . I know , there's no credits given for the image
used (He/she at least should've) , but I'm stressing on music ,
not artworks (regardless , both are treated the same and credits
need to be given to both) . Now we know who made that remix
that gave birth to the MIDI version(s) of it , a simple googling
HTML https://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&client=firefox-b&site=webhp&source=hp&q=Coo+%26create&oq=Coo+%26create&gs_l=hp.3...48.2033.0.2280.8.6.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..8.0.0.dRnWtjsZiNg&pbx=1#q=Cool+%26+create<br
/>will yield results to where to support this team and buy their
product (or if they didn't sell them , CREDIT THEM !) !
Now that we solved the remix part of the song , let's get
looking for the original , shall we ? But , I'm sure if you made
that attempt of just searching out all of those credits , you'd
most probably stumble upon it's original :
[spoiler]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcvouNwZbI0[/spoiler]
"Who made the song ?" . Hint , hint : It's been 'mentioned'
there . It doubles as a credit , so read carefully and properly
.
Now that brings us to this question : Whom should we credit ?
Who is not doing it right ?
For the remix MIDI version (not counting the third one) , the
person who made the second video should get credited for and the
first one is dead guilty for it and need to get their hair
burned off , every single strain of it .
For the remix version , the person who made the third and fourth
video did the right thing as it is made by Cool&Create . While
the person who made the first and second video are guilty for
this and need to kneel onto a thorny file for hours .
For the original version , the person who made the third ,
fourth and fifth video does it good as this is a theme song for
a character named Flandre Scarlett titled 'U.N Owen was her ?'
by Zun for the game Touhou . While the person who made the first
and second video are guilty for this and need to get staked onto
a raging bonfire and be labeled 'Witch' .
Notice that the person who made the first video kept getting
caught red-handed ? Well , he/she deserves it , to be honest (I
hope it gets even more the more he/she decides to stick to
his/her guns)[/quote]
3. More exposure for us creators .
What most if not all creators of videos , musics , art , etc.
appreciate more than money is some form of recognition and
exposure to the world . In fact , getting more recognition and
exposure nets them more money from more people who wants to buy
them . But the major problem is that were usually be awfully
busy to do an active self-promotion , other than spewing out
more work , thus we're limited ourselves in that matter . That's
why they'd hope that their fan would help out on this , even if
they did not mention it at all .
4. A better , proper form of appreciation .
Buying them is good , but giving credits is better and most of
the creators appreciate this more than just purely money alone .
So , put some more effort in doing so ... it's not that
difficult .
Crediting properly
I'm sure you wonder , do we have to place credits/citations the
way you see most big , fat , dictionary books do ? You know ,
something we'd normally see right at the bottom of the wikipedia
page ? Have no fear , you don't have to go to that length when
crediting someone righteously . What you see in Wikipedia is the
formal way and it's normally reserved for such occasion and also
things like figure speech and sometimes to that extent ,
articles and journalism .
If anything , there's an informal way of crediting/citing that
caters to commoners . Here are the do's and dont's on
crediting/citing informally :
- Do cite the author of the said work posted and/or used ,
especially if the said work has no watermark (a lot don't put
them on it for good reason)
- If the work you're intending to post is uncredited , make use
of the reverse search engines provided , like Google Reverse
Image Search
HTML https://images.google.com/
and Tineye
HTML https://www.tineye.com/
for static visual arts .
- Always make a habit of verifying the credits to make sure it
actually is the right one . It's very possible that it is not ,
especially on the internet . Make use of google search on
researching .
- Having links that takes us directly to the author's personal
website (Preferably) , blog , store and/or gallery (Preferably)
are usually recommended and better .
- If you still can't find the actual owner of said work , get
help from people on the same field preferably , but anybody
would do still .
- Preferably , do not post them up without having placed credits
along with them , especially publicly , especially if they're
new and/or still not well-known .
- It is recommended that you do not post the actual resolution
and quality of the said work to the public if it does not have
credits attached to it .
- Anything aside from the authors name and links to their
personal sites , blogs , store , gallery or any other sites
they're active in does not make a valid credit .
- Links to any third party sites that has credits to the actual
owner of said works does not make a valid credit as well , same
goes with "Internet" and "Google" .
- Do not link directly to the image link itself (contains
endings like .jpg , .png and .gif) . Same goes to others like
music , video , writing , etc. .
But if you still want to do this formally , a quick google
search
HTML https://www.google.com/webhp?ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b#q=citing+artwork&start=0<br
/>(this is for art in general) would help .
Questions often asked or displayed (Especially in a general
imageboard/hosting site)
Why do I/we/they do this ?
Simple , we respect the works they've given to us to add and
showcase on our imageboard/hosting site . This is our way of
showing our thanks - by giving them the exposure and recognition
they so need to motivate them to keep doing what they do . It is
also a way to tell the viewers that we do not own the works
hosted on our site , or any sites for that matter and that it
belongs to their respective original creators themselves .
That's why we habitually and naturally give credits to them ,
even outside our original job in an imageboard/hosting site ,
even if some of us do buy them and scan them to add to the
gallery .
And let's not forget that what were doing (uploading these
creators work on our site) is as illegal as it get . All the
more reason to do it to avoid getting sued !
So you're telling me that just buying their works is not enough
to show that we love and respect their works ?
No and yes . No in a sense that you've given them cash to fund
for their material and living costs spent in the creation of
their works , both present and their future works . But yes ,
they prefer if you promote/expose their works and/or gallery to
others to see on their behalf because of the limitation one
person can do and how far can they shine in the public and the
fact that they're forever bee-sy .
That way , you encourage them to buy their works as well ,
generating more needed money to make their lives less a living
hell .
Then why they don't they even request us to give them credits
then ?
Contradictory to what you believe , we often request it . It's
stated either in words , signature/trademarking/watermarking
their work , or using licenses on their work , if given .
perhaps you didn't read them and/or look for them , so do it
more attentively and thoroughly next time . Also , it's down to
common courtesy and an act of selflessness and goodwill . I mean
, would you keep that secret that you own that work from us away
from others ? You can't be that stingy , aren't you ? If they
didn't ask for it , it does not mean you don't have to do it .
Then why not make this a rule ?
It's a thing that honestly , shouldn't be a rule that is
punishable because it's like we're policing all works
circulating on the internet (we like sharing , you know) . But
if anything , this is by default a rule of life . So if you
somehow don't have it in you , I'd recommend that you apply it
ASAP .
Imageboard/hosting sites in general had this as a rule in order
to keep the site less illegal that it should be already . It's
technically illegal to upload someone else's work onto another
site the original creators do not own and/or not a member of to
begin with , that's why out of sheer respect for the works being
uploaded illegally , we give them credits and links that leads
to the owner's site and/or gallery . Which is also why a some of
these imageboard/hosting sites tend to not upload the full
resolution , high quality image onto their site . If you want
the actual image in it's actual size and quality , go to the
creator's site and/or gallery . It's technically illegal to host
the actual image size and quality outside of their gallery , so
don't ask me why they do so .
But I'm seeing others do it , why can't I ?
You don't , period . Do not hop onto that bandwagon , unless you
want to be on the witch's side on a current global scale witch
hunt and wished to be staked ...
A 'witch hunt' on this ? That's insane !
It's not new . It has been going on for many , many years . It's
only more larger , vocal and physical (and it'll keep growing ,
regardless) because of the nature of circulation of creative
works on the internet . It's so fast , easy and grows at
plague-speed , ungoverned/unmoderated , it's very difficult to
keep track of them , making them almost always ends up getting
stolen and/or going rogue and/or invisible . The only effective
way to combat this begins with you , the user who had the said
works , starting with citing/crediting them .
But I got them off the internet ! How the hell am I going to
find it's original owner of the said works then ?
In the wake of the ever growing issues of plagiarism and
intellectual property seemingly going rogue came what would be a
first act of salvation - a remedy of sorts to this issue .
Google Reverse Image Search
HTML https://images.google.com/
and Tineye
HTML https://www.tineye.com/
, to name the two most effective reverse
search engine for art exclusively (I know there are others and
similar engines for other creative works , but I'm focusing more
on arts for this matter) are the first big movement being made
to combat this , so use it . If that fails , which rarely does
unless it was a case of gone in too deep into the Davy Jones
locker , either by the effects of not getting credited for too
long and/or the author decides to be invisible or worse , dead ,
go to prominent sites of said creative art (music , writing ,
etc.) or any big scale imageboard/hosting sites and seek their
help in crediting them . At times , they might have them in
their folder or that they know where it came from .
It's varies , but better than nothing .
But what about the others who didn't read this and weren't aware
of this ?
The Growing Tree Effect .
It starts with you . So make a habit of doing this and educate
those around you . It benefits all parties !
What if they don't care ? Or find it not that important or it's
a hassle ?
We 'encourage' these kind of people to walk straight into the
lion's den - we want some form of 'entertainment' after all (We
live a very stressful life , you know) . Trust me , they'll
regret doing this , especially if they're of the field they're
working on especially . You on the other hand , you've done your
best , so don't ever change your mind and do what they do .
So , you keep bringing up this "crediting" and "citing" in art
as though it's a death wish for not doing it ...
It is and will be , especially to me as an artist myself , this
is a potential death blow to my career and the damage is
permanent . Call me rude , condescending , whatever ! We won't
be staked for our wrongdoing towards your actions , it'll be you
instead . Also worth remembering , it's not limited to just art
, so don't think that we're that forgiving when you're not doing
this to other creative works , like music and writing .
Links worth reading
Remember that even if this is in a manga-oriented forum , where
writing and art is the thing , it's not just limited to those
two only . As you can see , all the links below is about and
it's related to the importance of crediting and you'll see that
it's not limited to the two mentioned and certainly not limited
to the issue related to posting someone else's work on other
sites . So , read them and educate yourself !
HTML http://spvpasadena.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Copyright.pdf
HTML http://www.whatiscopyright.org
HTML http://gejda.deviantart.com/journal/Stock-in-a-nutshell-626176160
HTML http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/27498/how-to-attribute-give-credit-to-creative-commons-copyleft-public-domain-content
HTML http://www.plagiarismchecker.com/plagiarism-vs-copyright.php
HTML http://sarafhawkins.com/difference-copyright-and-plagiarism/
HTML https://www.reference.com/education/difference-between-primary-secondary-source-374c514ffc521a71#
HTML http://lca.sfsu.edu/faculty/plagiarism-resources
HTML http://blog.hubspot.com/blog/tabid/6307/bid/33098/How-Not-to-Steal-People-s-Content-on-the-Web.aspx#sm.000005ddsm0it1enrye49oq8qi1b6
HTML http://ikeepsafe.org/be-a-pro/ethics/how-do-i-correctly-cite-internet-sources/
HTML https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/589/2/
HTML https://writingcenter.utk.edu/for-students/citingsources/
HTML http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/52146-References-and-advices-about-copyrights
HTML http://www.artslaw.com.au/legal/frequently-asked-questions/
HTML http://www.plagiarism.org/citing-sources/cite-sources/
HTML http://www.thepulpzine.com/crediting/
HTML http://www.artbizblog.com/2009/07/otherimage.html
HTML http://blogevolved.blogspot.my/2012/05/crediting-pictures-unofficial-guide.html
HTML http://mariabrophy.com/philosophy/when-is-it-okay-to-copy-and-sell-another%E2%80%99s-work-plagiarism-and-the-golden-rule.html
HTML http://designobserver.com/feature/credit-where-credit-is-dueor-not/6887/
HTML https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/42294/about-sharing-other-peoples-art-how-to-properly-source<br
/>(Which makes all of what I've written a TL;DR)
More when you google them out . There's a fark-tons of this !
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Re: Credits/citations : Important ? Important (Read This !)
By: Lumaria Date: September 12, 2016, 7:18 pm
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I remember in Manga Raiders how one member had quality art and
then quickly revealed he was stealing and disappeared from the
forum without any problems.
This is something serious. @Orchid, I hope that if this ever
happens where someone explicitly is stealing credit that it's a
top priority to take care of.
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Re: Credits/citations : Important ? Important (Read This !)
By: Orchid Date: September 14, 2016, 12:49 am
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I agree with everything said here. We especially don't want this
community to help others plagiarize.
If it ever happens I'll take care of it. I like how this post
has tools to help find the original artist.
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Re: Credits/citations : Important ? Important (Read This !)
By: Lumaria Date: October 9, 2016, 3:53 pm
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It's good for giving credit where credit is due. Water Marking
helps in some occasions but constant watermarking can get
annoying.
Additionally recently people have been able to remove basic
watermarks.
Also if we happen to find it in the Internet in an ambiguous
place, and the source says not to redistribute then there it's a
mistake. But still directing to the original source solves the
problem.
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Re: Credits/citations : Important ? Important (Read This !)
By: Orchid Date: October 9, 2016, 5:53 pm
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We want to be respectful as possible. This was something we
wanted to pursue even before DeAngelus made a thread about it.
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Re: Credits/citations : Important ? Important (Read This !)
By: Lumaria Date: October 10, 2016, 4:53 pm
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The sooner we don't make a big deal about this, the better IMO.
Like Orchid said, it's something that we wanted to consider.
It also helps have good relations with other sites if by chance
some toes are stepped on.
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