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       #Post#: 991--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Seagull DIY Discussion
       By: sut Date: December 9, 2013, 12:05 pm
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       Nope sorry wish i did though! I think the last time we had 50
       mph winds and my pole started turning has been the most wind I
       have had and they didn't have any trouble (wish I had more test
       for ya )
       I don't think it will be a prob with TE bending over sharp
       enough  what I would do is put it in between 2 pieces of angle
       iron to make the L  bend before forming it into the shape of the
       ribs (wing) then use same angle iron to finish bend after its
       all glued .
       #Post#: 992--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Seagull DIY Discussion
       By: sut Date: December 9, 2013, 6:26 pm
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       @ Cg  I just re read your post and you said (concerning your
       aluminum flashing blade skins :)  Just to correct this I didn't
       use flashing I used trim stock which is heaver . didn't want you
       to try it with flashing cause I think it's to thin!
       #Post#: 1003--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Seagull DIY Discussion
       By: sut Date: December 10, 2013, 11:01 am
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       Sorry I don't I got my trim stock from a neighbor that does
       aluminum siding!  But I went to the web sight and found this
  HTML http://www.menards.com/main/building-materials/roofing-soffits-gutters/roofing/metal-flashings/14-x-10-aluminum-painted-roll-valley/p-1351571-c-5810.htm<br
       /> I think its the same stuff I seen there.   or  MenardsŪ SKU:
       1573057     I was going by feel cause its heaver than flashing
       but still workable   ( if I get time today I will run down and
       see if its the same stuff I used )
       #Post#: 1006--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Seagull DIY Discussion
       By: lynx wind Date: December 10, 2013, 4:09 pm
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       Great experimenting, hypothesis and conclusions.  So few people
       actually build test and analyze results.  That's what I like
       about this forum.  Everyone here is open minded and doesn't just
       talk and talk about things, they "do it".
       Everything works great on paper.  But the details matter with
       machinery.
       #Post#: 1012--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Seagull DIY Discussion
       By: sut Date: December 11, 2013, 3:01 pm
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       I went and bought some of that trim stock from Menards and it is
       .005 thinner  so I am not sure its heavy enough But I am going
       to try it anyway will keep you posted
       #Post#: 1034--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Seagull DIY Discussion
       By: lynx wind Date: December 12, 2013, 5:40 pm
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       Just a crazy idea.  Why not glue some glass to some cardstock
       and then paint resin on it?  I know you don't like fumes, but
       it's a ten minute job.  Just sayin'
       #Post#: 1113--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Seagull DIY Discussion
       By: sut Date: December 20, 2013, 6:21 pm
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       A quick question on the single phase alt  is there a rpm where
       it stops increasing voltage output the faster you spin it ? or
       can it just keep going and continue to produce more voltage the
       faster you spin it
       #Post#: 1198--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Seagull DIY Discussion
       By: lynx wind Date: January 4, 2014, 9:46 am
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       Good find.  It's helpful to know why things don't work well, to
       understand what does work well.  I try to stay true to the
       airfoil shape and end the TE sharp.
       With a blunt or rounded TE the air doesn't flow straight back to
       meet the next blade.  Rather it tucks around and flows inward
       into the VAWT.  A smooth airflow will really create power.
       #Post#: 1204--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Seagull DIY Discussion
       By: lynx wind Date: January 5, 2014, 4:38 pm
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       If you turn an alternator faster and faster it will make more
       voltage.  It's linear.  Once the voltage hits a load like a
       battery's voltage threshold then the voltage can only rise as
       long as the amperage rises.  That's when it takes power to turn
       the alternator.  Volts x amps = watts  750 watts = 1 hp
       How the power is converted has more to do with the load.  A
       resistive load like a heating element or lightbulb starts taking
       power at 1 rpm.  A battery starts taking power at some cutin
       speed designed to match the power band of the turbine.  A GTI
       might start taking power at 14 volts or 28 volts.
       Using an MPPT I have had alternators putting out 750 volts.  50
       volts can be lethal so I like designing these turbines to stay
       below 48 volts under load.
       #Post#: 1207--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Seagull DIY Discussion
       By: lynx wind Date: January 6, 2014, 10:53 am
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       Might be good for a rough adjustment.  You'll need to be very
       accurate on where you set the blade on the scale and where the
       other blades sit in relation.
       I balance mine by suspending the pole coupler horizontal on a
       stub pipe.  I note which blade hangs heavy and add weight to the
       opposite side rotor until no one side will drop.  Try to add
       weight at the outermost spot on the rotor.
       Building as light as possible is really helpful because any out
       of balance is so much less than on a heavier construction.
       Wobble really kills power.
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