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~ My Thoughts~
By: Runner Date: March 12, 2015, 4:17 pm
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I was thinking...from the point of view of Samuel, ( summonsed
by the witch) Moses and Elijah... on the Mount..
I was wondering what they felt when all of a sudden
whoosh...they were 'back' on planet earth again!! And then I
thought....maybe there never were...Maybe they were still 'where
they were'.. but it was much like looking through a window from
one realm to another...but they knew that for sure not part of
it.
We are here looking in 'there', they were there, looking in
here!
I guess what I am saying is...they 'appeared here', but did not
leave there at all.
A new thought to me.
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Re: ~ My Thoughts~
By: Brad Date: March 12, 2015, 5:27 pm
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Well, Christ hadnt yet freed the prisoners, but only in the
linear sense. So Samuel probably wasnt in the better place he
was freed to. That being said, he was possibly glad of the
temporary vacation, but unhappy with the ungodliness of the
reason.
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Re: ~ My Thoughts~
By: Runner Date: March 12, 2015, 7:52 pm
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Not sure that I get your drift here Brad.
Samuel died in faith...just as Moses and Elijah did ( although
we know Elijah didn't, but was taken up) ...therefore as I see
it , he/Samuel was for sure in Paradise. Abrahams bosom...why
would he not be?
I was thinking that they were dragged back here for those
moments that it mentioned in scripture about them...then I
felt...'No, they didn't have to come right back here at
all...they were still " in the Spirit" as it were, but 'seen by
this world..ans spoke to it as Samuel did'
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Re: ~ My Thoughts~
By: Brad Date: March 12, 2015, 9:09 pm
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If he was in paradise under control of the heavenly armies of
good, could he have been pulled to earth by the actions of a
witch? Paradise comes to us at some time after death, but was
there any case where someone went to paradise right after death
other than the thief on the cross. The story of Lazarus and
the rich man is a story, not sure if that counts.
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Re: ~ My Thoughts~
By: Runner Date: March 12, 2015, 9:36 pm
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Brad...I sure think so..always have. She was "all shaken" when
she saw him...so she obviously wasn't expecting the real
Samuel...a witch deals with the dark side. I strongly believe
that God sent him to her and Saul, because God wanted to tell
Saul through Samuel.
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Re: ~ My Thoughts~
By: Brad Date: March 13, 2015, 9:12 am
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Yes, God may have allowed him to come for Saul's sake, as he was
once anointed. But a witch could never command anyone dead
unless they were under the curse I would think.
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Re: ~ My Thoughts~
By: Kerry Date: March 14, 2015, 5:24 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=997.msg10531#msg10531
date=1426214186]
Brad...I sure think so..always have. She was "all shaken" when
she saw him...so she obviously wasn't expecting the real
Samuel...a witch deals with the dark side. [/quote]I thought she
was shaken up when she realized it was Saul there with
her.[quote]I strongly believe that God sent him to her and Saul,
because God wanted to tell Saul through Samuel.[/quote]I can't
believe this. [quote author=Brad
link=topic=997.msg10533#msg10533 date=1426255979]
Yes, God may have allowed him to come for Saul's sake, as he was
once anointed. But a witch could never command anyone dead
unless they were under the curse I would think.
[/quote]I do not think it was Samuel's spirit. I believe it was
a part of him that was awaiting the resurrection. That should
not have been disturbed by using necromancy. The part of man
still awaiting the resurrection would be under a curse of sorts.
Notice who the woman sees him coming up out of the earth. That
is different from how Elijah and Moses appeared with Jesus.
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Re: ~ My Thoughts~
By: Runner Date: March 14, 2015, 10:57 pm
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15 And Samuel said to Saul, 'Why hast thou disquieted me, to
bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the
Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me,
and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams:
therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto
me what I shall do.
16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing
the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the
LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to
thy neighbour, even to David:
18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor
executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD
done this thing unto thee this day.
19 *Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into
the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy
sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel
into the hand of the Philistines.
20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was
sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no
strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all
the night.
Well whatever. I still see it as God via Samuel , giving Saul
an opportunity to repent before his death the following day. God
so often takes a bad situation and turns it on its head for His
own purpose.
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Re: ~ My Thoughts~
By: Justaname Date: December 2, 2016, 11:25 am
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....these last few days "my thoughts" have been along the line (
once again) of HEARING.
How tuned are we to the voice of God? Really.
Maybe they did ask, but when I read the early books of the
bible, I don't see Noah, Abraham, Jacob, or any of the prophets
saying to God- " Is the YOU speaking to me..?" Even Jonah knew
the Voice, though he didn't want to do what was asked of him!
These days we live in are dark days....not only with unrest,
but spiritually too...we the people of the earth are lied to
from every side. So what do we do?
We chat amongst ourselves, and we make judgements and
decisions on what we have read or heard. We have NO OTHER source
of information. We say that "we know this" or we KNOW
that...but in truth we cannot KNOW anything at all, not really
know without doubt!! We all get our information for someone or
something.
The only way that we can believe or not believe anything, is
by hearing clearly "in the Spirit".
Are we people of the earth or people of the Spirit? ?? Are
we God's mouth, eyes , ears, and hands here on this earth or
not. If ever there was a time, it is now....Or I believe we
will be failing in our calling.
I have found that I have dropped the ball spiritually. I
have made too many judgements, had too many opinions...all based
on what I believe , think , or feel , through what I have heard
or seen.
So, I have been in a 'repenting mood' these last few days...If
it's been happening to me..maybe it has been happening to others
of God's people too. The loss of sharpness in the spirit, of
'seeing' and hearing the things that REALLY matter. Like
Joseph...it is never for us, but always for others... Joseph
stored the grain for others, he 'had it' for others....our life
is not really for ourselves, but others. I believe our
responsibility here is always for others...after all, Paul calls
us "Ambassadors of Christ". Just God's representatives in this
needy world. This world is not our home...strangers and
pilgrims passing through, .....how easily we forget.
Just my two cents.
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Re: ~ My Thoughts~
By: guest6 Date: December 2, 2016, 11:48 am
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=997.msg13418#msg13418
date=1480699542]
....these last few days "my thoughts" have been along the line (
once again) of HEARING.
How tuned are we to the voice of God? Really.
Maybe they did ask, but when I read the early books of the
bible, I don't see Noah, Abraham, Jacob, or any of the prophets
saying to God- " Is the YOU speaking to me..?" Even Jonah knew
the Voice, though he didn't want to do what was asked of him!
These days we live in are dark days....not only with unrest,
but spiritually too...we the people of the earth are lied to
from every side. So what do we do?
We chat amongst ourselves, and we make judgements and
decisions on what we have read or heard. We have NO OTHER source
of information. We say that "we know this" or we KNOW
that...but in truth we cannot KNOW anything at all, not really
know without doubt!! We all get our information for someone or
something.
The only way that we can believe or not believe anything, is
by hearing clearly "in the Spirit".
Are we people of the earth or people of the Spirit? ?? Are
we God's mouth, eyes , ears, and hands here on this earth or
not. If ever there was a time, it is now....Or I believe we
will be failing in our calling.
I have found that I have dropped the ball spiritually. I
have made too many judgements, had too many opinions...all based
on what I believe , think , or feel , through what I have heard
or seen.
So, I have been in a 'repenting mood' these last few days...If
it's been happening to me..maybe it has been happening to others
of God's people too. The loss of sharpness in the spirit, of
'seeing' and hearing the things that REALLY matter. Like
Joseph...it is never for us, but always for others... Joseph
stored the grain for others, he 'had it' for others....our life
is not really for ourselves, but others. I believe our
responsibility here is always for others...after all, Paul calls
us "Ambassadors of Christ". Just God's representatives in this
needy world. This world is not our home...strangers and
pilgrims passing through, .....how easily we forget.
Just my two cents.
[/quote]
How wonderful Helen. I always looked forward to and enjoyed
these postings of yours. :)
As for me, I will continue to put my hope and trust in God
alone. And try not to get too distracted by what's going on in
the world or pulled down by it and not let the darkness and evil
enter my heart where I lose compassion and love for others.
There are many things that divide people and it will divide us
if we don't stay alert and aware. But as you say, this world is
only temporary and we need to be ever looking forward to that
future life and not holding on to the things of this world.
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