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Feminine Manifestations of the Holy Spirit
By: Kerry Date: February 3, 2015, 8:06 am
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The first time the Spirit is mentioned is in Genesis where we
are told the Spirit moved over the waters. Moved is not wrong
but it may be completely adequate since the same word can be
used to mean hover or even brood the way a mother hen flutters
her wings over her chicks. Jesus seems to compare himself to a
mother hen also.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the
prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often
would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen
gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Of course we know that God in not really either male or female
but somehow has the potential to be both. The verse in Genesis
is hard to translate but we are told that man was created in the
image and likeness of God, male and female.
There is a word also that is used but once in the Bible:
Nasham. It means to pant or breath the way a woman breathes
when giving birth. Isaiah uses it:
Isaiah 42:14 NKJV
“I have held My peace a long time,
I have been still and restrained Myself.
Now I will cry like a woman in labor,
I will pant and gasp at once.
What makes that word so interesting to me is that the word for
"breath of life" is derived from it: Neshamah. This is not
quite the same kind of breath that animals have. This is the
breath of life God gave to Adam.
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the
ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and
man became a living soul.
This is, I believe, also the Divine Breath, that Jesus imparted
to his disciples at the Last Supper, telling them they were
receiving the Holy Spirit. Before that, he said this:
John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a
little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is
this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see
me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because
I go to the Father?
18 They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little
while? we cannot tell what he saith.
19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said
unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A
little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little
while, and ye shall see me?
20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and
lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful,
but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour
is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she
remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into
the world.
Paul portrays the material world as a woman in travail:
Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered
from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the
children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth
in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the
firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within
ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of
our body.
He also compares himself to a woman trying to give birth:
Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth
again until Christ be formed in you,
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Re: Feminine Manifestations of the Holy Spirit
By: coldwar Date: February 4, 2015, 9:52 am
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Zeroing in on Part A for now, (with part B being the "where I go
you cannot come" discussion), is it possible that in the first
account of Creation, God made all male / female pairs of every
creature in exactly the same fashion, but then, with the second
account (Eden, creation of Adam and Eve), He did it different -
made the Adam first, gave him the breath of life, and then made
Eve from Adam's rib? This is what I believe, and it makes the
two streams of mankind different. In the first case, gender
difference is nullified and similar to reproduction in all other
life-forms, but in Eden, God programmed in a specific gender
difference, with different sets of desires because of it.
I know God is not the author of confusion, but mankind has
somewhat confused things within and between both streams. It
doesn't help that Bible believers have lumped hte origins of all
mankind as originating from Eden, not recognizing that before
Eden, mankind was already building cities, mining for gold, and
setting up agriculture. From Eden, there came "gender
distinctives" applicable only to Adam's unique redemptive race,
whereas in the rest of humanity, such distinctives and
prohibitions weren't part of the program(?)
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Re: Feminine Manifestations of the Holy Spirit
By: Kerry Date: February 5, 2015, 6:31 am
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[quote author=coldwar link=topic=982.msg10300#msg10300
date=1423065139]
Zeroing in on Part A for now, (with part B being the "where I go
you cannot come" discussion), is it possible that in the first
account of Creation, God made all male / female pairs of every
creature in exactly the same fashion, but then, with the second
account (Eden, creation of Adam and Eve), He did it different -
made the Adam first, gave him the breath of life, and then made
Eve from Adam's rib? This is what I believe, and it makes the
two streams of mankind different. In the first case, gender
difference is nullified and similar to reproduction in all other
life-forms, but in Eden, God programmed in a specific gender
difference, with different sets of desires because of
it.[/quote]In the first account, first we are told that God made
all the beasts of the earth. Does that mean He made them
physically? Or could it mean that the original heavenly
prototypes or patterns for all the species had become corrupted
even before Eden and that God made new prototypes or patterns --
known as the elemental spirits of the animal species? I think
it is not describing physical events at all. I also think that
the evolution of mankind on the physical earth was not
proceeding correctly. Later we see "all flesh" being corrupted
again; and I see this as the effort of the Dark Side to corrupt
the new heavenly types along with the earthly manifestations. I
see the pattern for the physical man being placed in Heaven
along with the patterns for all the animals in verse 24.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature
after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the
earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and
cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the
earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
None of these animals however possessed the Divine Breath of
Life, the neshamah. Thus the oversoul of all life was put into
place.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all
the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the
earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them.
The "rib" is not mentioned here; but I argue that the feminine
half here was perfectly formed. I argue that since if we say
she was not, we would have to impute a similar imperfection to
God. The other account does seem to be about something else
perhaps.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a
living soul.
The words "dust of the ground" may be slightly confusing. This
could refer to the soul of the man on the astral plane while the
previous account was at the mental plane.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be
alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Here the forming of man precedes the forming of the animals; and
God says the man needs a helper. What follows still astonishes
me.
19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the
field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to
see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every
living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the
air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not
found an help meet for him.
Now again I think this may include the type of souls of humans
currently living on the earth. I say this because of what
Solomon says:
Ecclesiastes 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of
the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they
might see that they themselves are beasts.
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts;
even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the
other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no
preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to
dust again.
This does not mean that men and women today are exactly like the
beasts since Solomon then says:
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the
spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Who knows? Yes, who knows. Whoever knows "somethin" will set
himself to doing good deeds, trusting God. This man is no longer
like the beasts of the earth.
[quote]I know God is not the author of confusion, but mankind
has somewhat confused things within and between both streams. It
doesn't help that Bible believers have lumped hte origins of all
mankind as originating from Eden, not recognizing that before
Eden, mankind was already building cities, mining for gold, and
setting up agriculture. From Eden, there came "gender
distinctives" applicable only to Adam's unique redemptive race,
whereas in the rest of humanity, such distinctives and
prohibitions weren't part of the program(?)
[/quote]My own opinion is that Eden was established for the
salvation of the preexistence race of men already inhabiting the
earth. Israel was to become their spiritual covering. Without
that spiritual covering, the souls of this fallen race were no
better than the souls of the beasts. Equating Adam Rishon with
the Body of Christ, I believe that without the animating and
life-giving "breath of life" of the Holy Spirit, our souls
today also cannot be saved.
But back to Genesis. I can remember hearing it as a child that
Eve was made out of one of Adam's ribs; and the minister said
you could prove it by counting the ribs of men and women.
Clearly, he was repeating something he'd heard because if you
count the ribs, you find men and women have the same number.
Genesis doesn't actually use the word "rib." The KJV does; and
I don't know if the KJV introduced this idea or if the idea
preceded the KJV which translated it that way since that's what
people already believed. The word is tsela', and it means
"side." Check out at Blue Letter Bible
HTML http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H6763&t=KJV<br
/>how the KJV translated this word elsewhere.
Thinking "rib" also conceals what happened at the crucixion when
the church or "bride of Christ" was formed from the blood and
water that came from the side of Jesus. As I see it, Jesus was
physically male of course; but spiritually he was both male and
female up to that point. He then gave up the feminine half
(gotten from both Mother Mary and the Holy Spirit) back to Mary
who was there. Mary was also present in the Upper Room when the
Holy Spirit descended.
The virtue of the feminine is that knows the value of emptiness.
The feminine aspect of the Divine brings forth new life out of
this emptiness. I refer to all levels of existence here. I do
not think any church which undervalues this aspect of the
feminine can long survive. Nor do I think women preaching and
holding other positions is as valuable as the role they have in
the church summoning "life" into the church in a way men cannot
-- unless they have acquired this feminine function. While
women can surely acquire the masculine virtues too, I fear the
trend today is for them to want to become more like men without
first perfecting the feminine virtues.
My mind connects "overshadowing" with this feminine quality.
The feminine projects an empty spiritual space into which "a
child" is conceived and born. Thus while we are told that
Jesus called God Father, why was it that the Holy Spirit
overshadowed Mary? Compare that to the transfiguration:
Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy
Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall
overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be
born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luke 9:34 While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and
overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the
cloud.
35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my
beloved Son: hear him.
We are not told that there was an overshadowing at the baptism;
but we are told a voice announced Jesus as son.
Now go back to Genesis. Is "image and likeness" right? Maybe,
but it's connected to "shadows" or "outlines." Shadow in Hebrew
is tsel
HTML http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H6738&t=KJV<br
/>while image is tselem
HTML http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H6738&t=KJV.<br
/>
Back to black and white, light and shadow, the spinning Yin
Yang. We may not see a thing itself but still know it's real if
we see its shadow. Note too that light comes out of the
darkness. I see God as Creator being male and all Light and the
creation as being female and dark. When the Word went forth,
light was formed out of the darkness. We can also say that
initially male is knowing while the female is unknowing. Eve's
error was wanting to know. The virtue of this Feminine Principle
in its pure form is that it does not always rely on common
sense. It longs for life even if life seems impossible. There
are a few cases perhaps when men ask to have others raised from
the dead; but the pattern is that women ask. It doesn't make
sense to ask for it; but they did and they received what they
asked for.
Hebrews 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again:
and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they
might obtain a better resurrection:
What Mary Magdalene did doesn't make much sense in a way. She
had no real plan for getting the stone rolled away. Yet she was
there and was among the first to see Jesus. Was it a
coincidence that women were the first to see?
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Re: Feminine Manifestations of the Holy Spirit
By: James Date: February 9, 2015, 9:58 am
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Once more I have to say I do not understand all of this but I do
find it most interesting.
How would or could a woman discover her ability to bring forth
life in the church if she was constantly preoccupied with trying
to be as a man and wield power of place or position?
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Re: Feminine Manifestations of the Holy Spirit
By: Kerry Date: February 9, 2015, 10:52 am
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[quote author=James link=topic=982.msg10313#msg10313
date=1423497526]
Once more I have to say I do not understand all of this but I do
find it most interesting.
How would or could a woman discover her ability to bring forth
life in the church if she was constantly preoccupied with trying
to be as a man and wield power of place or position?
[/quote]What a pleasant surprise to see you posting.
I can't say I understand it myself, James;but then again, I
don't understand even myself. Just "what" are these things
we call "awareness" or "life"? Life is a mystery. We can put
labels on them; but they're still mysteries. I think so anyway.
I doubt that that women would discover that ability they have
and develop it if they pursued the masculine first.
Some of the things (perhaps most in fact) I've learned have
certainly been been taught to me by women; but they were not
operating in rebellion against male authority. I believe that
once a woman has mastered the feminine traits she has, then she
is free to move on and start developing what we usually call
masculine traits. She still retains her femininity. There are
some women preachers I've seen that struck me as unfeminine just
as I've seen men preachers who struck me as lacking in
masculinity. There are some male clergy make me grind my
teeth just hearing them talk. Something's not quite right.
One of my favorite stories is about Sarah. She exceeded her
proper limits as a woman by giving Abraham bad advice; and he
wasn't exactly a model husband by allowing her to do it. But
later! Yes later, God tells Abraham to obey her, do whatever
she said to do. Something changed, it seems, and it was more
than giving birth to Isaac. I think they both has mastered
the male-and-female roles and then gone on beyond that. That is
shown by how their names changed.
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