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Thoughts Regarding The Stories and Storytelling
By: HOLLAND Date: January 20, 2015, 6:54 am
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Thoughts on The Theology of Jella's Story, Authoring a Story
Together
It is interesting that the theology of the first story listed in
this section, Jella's, that there could not be a Christian basis
to it. Given the story was science fiction/fantasy, it could
only speak of more fundamental, universal religious experience.
In short, it was existential.
The story seemed to posit the following in the society posited
by Eloette, Yvetta and Kaney:
1) God discloses Himself equally to all, a universal Inner
Light;
2) God's grace and our synergistic cooperation to that grace,
itself a product of grace, leads to a closer walk with that
Light;
3) Guilt, which discloses itself in the form of anger, which is
something so deeply recognized by the Yvetta character, is
something that is indicative of the absence of that Light, and
is something that must be dealt with;
4) As Yvetta's character seemed to indicate such an awareness
of, the avoidance of anger and walking in the path of peace
leads closer to the Light;
5) Through that Light we seek forgiveness of God in that Light,
and can obtain it;
6) We strive to forgive others as we have been forgiven; and,
7) We walk in thankfulness and joy in the sublimity of nature,
aware of the tragic nature of life, facing it as we do in the
Inner Light.
It would be fair to say the Inner Light does not posit a
universal forgiveness or a works righteousness, but is a form of
God's grace and disclosure in the existential situation. It
posits the view that salvation of Christ can be apart from the
conscious knowledge of Him and can be the working of His sheer
grace.
The theology is something to think about.
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Re: Thoughts Regarding The Stories and Storytelling
By: Brad Date: January 20, 2015, 9:31 am
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The Holy Spirit "on" or "within" is still the Holy Spirit. And
the tree is known by its fruits... always!
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Re: Thoughts Regarding The Stories and Storytelling
By: HOLLAND Date: January 20, 2015, 1:12 pm
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Yes, Brad, it is so!
The idea of a Christian evangelization of an alien species is,
also, very intriguing. But I would wonder if it would ever be
required of the Human species meeting aliens? I suppose it
would not happen given that it is not specifically mandated in
scripture. There may not be the necessary social connections
given the aliens would have a differing metabolism, social
systems, and religious symbolism based upon a much different
flora and fauna.
I suspect the encounter with aliens would lead humans to stress
the existential commonality that is shared by all sapient life
in the universe.
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Re: Thoughts Regarding The Stories and Storytelling
By: HOLLAND Date: January 21, 2015, 6:52 am
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On Fictional Characters Having a Life Of Their Own
If at a certain point, if you are writing fiction, after much
character development, your characters take upon themselves a
life of their own and you realize that they can seemingly
dictate how a story goes by their actions. Once you get inside
the head of these characters, or fail to do so, they seem to be
or come into a partial control of the story. They can, also,
sometimes, dictate your life away from the writing desk as well;
such as the case of A. Conan Doyle and his unsuccessful decision
to kill Sherlock Holmes, the character still seemed to want to
continue living, and made his will known by the effect of
further stories. And Sherlock Holmes had such a fan following,
they didn't want his death either; so Doyle had to bring him
back.
Such is Cedric Balin, the last person in the story on Yoatlara
Peak in Jella's story. One of the Star People, his name
announced that the Star People are from Earth, or from a
civilization which has a connection to it. It also disclosed,
in the story, that Eloette, Yvetta and Kaney's civilization was
a non-Earth society, whose personages, though having human
bodies as we do, do not necessarily have the same metabolism or
inner biological structure. Cedric Balin, though human, is a
psionic. He is a melding of a human body with a biologically
bodiless intelligence that manifests itself as energy. The
melding is complete, and this intelligence has incorporated
itself completely into and as the person who is Balin. Balin is
Balin, sensing himself as human but with great power. In
Jella's story, he does not appear as such but as a member of an
advanced technological civilization that has power.
I've known Balin a long time having created him some eighteen
years ago. He is a character that has existed in story drafts
and outlines. He was born in Northumbria, England, and lives
quietly on Anglesey Island in the UK, spending his time, walking
the shores of the island or on the walking trails of Snowdonia
National Park. A British patriot, the Star People have made him
available to the British government anti-psi forces for services
which may involve a strong psionic. He frequents the pubs in
Holy Head, enjoying the pints of ale and live music. He is
partial to lissome red-headed girls with freckles.
Balin was born in 1947. He does not appear 68 years old but of
a man of 35 years. As a psionic, his lifespan is 1000 years.
Most of his friends in life passed away fairly young. At a
certain point, Balin too will leave the Earth, but do so to go
to a paradimensional space dome, out by the planet Saturn,
called the Solargate, a place by the way, he already has
apartments. He's about 5'9", squarish in the face, dark haired.
He has a strong build, but he is not outwardly muscled as those
who work out in gyms. He is agnostic but is fascinated by the
idea of God and those persons who have had experiences of God.
As a psionic, he finds them inexplicable.
A good story comes from research. Also good characters.
It is interesting that human creativity is a sharing in the
divine creativity and should lead to a reverence of God. Thus
it has been for me. Life leads to further life.
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Re: Thoughts Regarding The Stories and Storytelling
By: Kerry Date: January 21, 2015, 7:54 am
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Have you heard of tulpas?
[quote]biologically bodiless intelligence that manifests itself
as energy[/quote]This is what I would call the mental body.
Another interesting thing is how some actors' personalities
change from doing characters.
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Re: Thoughts Regarding The Stories and Storytelling
By: HOLLAND Date: January 21, 2015, 8:50 pm
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Quoted by Kerry
[quote]Have you heard of tulpas?[/quote]
I have not heard of tulpas, Kerry, and so had to google it. The
Wkipedia article was very fascinating and has presented much to
think about. In Hindu thought, the thesis of the imagination as
being seeming that of spirit and that the creations of the
imagination, materialized thoughts, in the forms of creatures of
various sorts, under religious auspices, of tulpa, is a
fascinating idea. The Vedas are filled with numerous characters
who invite the working of the imagination to fill out their
meaning. Perhaps this is the firewood for the flame that
creates tulpas. I will have to think much about it.
Kind of related to this is the recognition of the thought life
of those who lived in Biblical times who did not draw a sharp
distinction from the dream world and the wakened state and how
there was a blending of dream or vision with the affairs of the
wakened world, i.e. such as Balaam and his ass, the speaking of
the ass to Balaam could simply have been visionary experience
and not something that happened as a miracle of a talking
donkey. The vision is a disclosure of the personal in its own
right that is much the same as the disclosures of the personal
in the wakened state. Related to this is Genesis 1-11, where
those characters are largely symbolical and are historical
inasmuch as they relate to visionary and imaginitive
significance. Genesis 1-11 seems to indicate that the
imagination discloses who we are in other words.
[quote]Quote
[quote]biologically bodiless intelligence that manifests itself
as energy[/quote]
This is what I would call the mental body.[/quote]
In my fictional world involving the Star People, the psionics
are bound up in an existence with beings that precedes their
manifestation in energy and in their meldings in biological
forms. Thinking about this fictional world has caused me to
speculate that there is a primal form of being preceding energy
and mass and placing it in thought. Perhaps all this goes back
to my early days when I was reading the New England
Transcendentalists who had entered into these speculations. (I
am thinking of A. Bronson Alcott.) The energy beings that
melded with the human beings that became the Star People I
distinguish from the angels and demons because they have arisen
at the time of creation, but are such a coordinate reality with
creation in a way that they are intrinsically bound up with that
creation and must meld in some form to it. They are to be
distinguished from Star Trek's beings known as The Q who can
manifest as energy and take a form but do not need to meld with
a being in creation. The Q as beings are virtually god-like and
manifest in forms to their liking. Given they do not meld, The
Q, though powerful, can be very foolish and capricious.
[quote]Another interesting thing is how some actors'
personalities change from doing characters.[/quote]
This is much like the characters developed by a writer. Perhaps
it can be ascribed to the workings of the imagination, perhaps
it is a living out in fantasy. The best actors and actresses do
it all the time.
My characters became as strong as they were because, in various
times of my life, when something interesting happened, I would
ask how such and such a character, I've developed, would have
responded to such and such a situation. By such means a
character can become very well-known.
The creative workings are so very interesting
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Re: Thoughts Regarding The Stories and Storytelling
By: Brad Date: January 21, 2015, 9:14 pm
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I have written poetry (mostly sad) and some sci-fi (mostly time
travel stuff), but the co-writting isnt much for me. I have
strong desires on how a story should flow, and if it goes to far
away from my desired flow, I just set back and let others
continue the story and read to see if I like how it ends,
because a good ending can change my mind about the overall story
flow. My hero's are typically poor, hardworking, and have a
strong faith in God, plus of course heroic and adventuresome.
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Re: Thoughts Regarding The Stories and Storytelling
By: HOLLAND Date: January 22, 2015, 6:31 am
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[quote author=Brad link=topic=973.msg10175#msg10175
date=1421896497]
I have written poetry (mostly sad) and some sci-fi (mostly time
travel stuff), but the co-writting isnt much for me. I have
strong desires on how a story should flow, and if it goes to far
away from my desired flow, I just set back and let others
continue the story and read to see if I like how it ends,
because a good ending can change my mind about the overall story
flow. My hero's are typically poor, hardworking, and have a
strong faith in God, plus of course heroic and adventuresome.
[/quote]
A lot of people who write who've I've spoken to over the years
have said much like you have said, Brad.
It is interesting the juxtaposition of the writing of a
melancholic poetry and science fiction in the form of time
travel stories. I suspect that the passage of years has not
been kind for you for I've spoken with several folks who have
done the same and have had some bad years in th past. I hope
that I am wrong on this.
Co-writing can be quite a chore. In a story set up such as
Jella's, one has to fix in one's mind how one want to go and
aggressively push the narrative forward leaving open the
possibility of immediate change of story, even a contemplated
ending of a story. It can be quite demanding. When other
co-writing situations exist where there is the editing and
revising of manuscript, quite a few conflicts can arise, even
among friends.
My characters tend to be middle class in income and lifestyle,
excepting the Star People, who have very little in worldly
goods. The Star People drop out of society at an early age,
many never seen again, as they migrate to paradimensional space
domes where they live. They bespeak the alien nature of how
many people change over the years.
Change and transformation seem to be something that runs through
my stories. I suppose that in the end dictates their inner
nature and to the conclusion that they come to.
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Re: Thoughts Regarding The Stories and Storytelling
By: Brad Date: January 22, 2015, 9:50 am
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I havent written anything sinse I was about 35 (55 now). The
sad poetry was basically due to me being sad due to male/female
relationships that were lacking. The sci-fi I wrote was just
one way I would escape that sadness into a world of fantasy that
did bring some joy. I have a stable loving male/female
relationship (married 10 years) now, and my faith and devotion
to the Lord also gives me great joy, so I have less need to
create fantasy worlds to supplement my own. But the works of
fantasy, especially time travel still greatly please me.
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Re: Thoughts Regarding The Stories and Storytelling
By: HOLLAND Date: January 23, 2015, 6:13 am
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[quote author=Brad link=topic=973.msg10181#msg10181
date=1421941845]
I havent written anything sinse I was about 35 (55 now). The
sad poetry was basically due to me being sad due to male/female
relationships that were lacking. The sci-fi I wrote was just
one way I would escape that sadness into a world of fantasy that
did bring some joy. I have a stable loving male/female
relationship (married 10 years) now, and my faith and devotion
to the Lord also gives me great joy, so I have less need to
create fantasy worlds to supplement my own. But the works of
fantasy, especially time travel still greatly please me.
[/quote]
So has it been with many, Brad! It is a pleasure to write and
thanks to the internet, we have all grown in our writing, doing
well in essays and argumentation. It is interesting that
science fiction/fantasy allows us to imagine the world in a
different way and see a perspective upon things that we had not
had before. So the pleasure is a form of learning and a way of
feeling about things. Such is a thing to praise God.
Peace be upon you and upon us all!
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