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       sinful churches (2)
   DIR By: meshak
       Date: January 6, 2015, 8:57 pm
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       > If you are non-trin, you are cult and non-believer.
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       This is central evil or sinful doctrine of mainstream churches
       because it is not biblical at all.
       Jesus did not teach it.  None of His followers taught it.
       Evil churches decided to persecute true believers because they
       cannot compete godliness with non-trins.
       They are behaving exactly like the Pharisees of Jesus times.
       Pharisees killed their enemy and so did trinity believers.
       They killed many of their opposers.
       Jesus says to love your enemy yet again they are disregarding
       His word and practice evil faith by persecuting their enemy.
       They stopped killing their opposers now but they are still
       ostracizing true Christians who are striving to be faithful to
       Jesus and His teachings.
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       Re: sinful churches (2)
   DIR By: George
       Date: January 6, 2015, 9:56 pm
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       Hello Meshak,
       Would you say that calling Trinitarian believers a cult is a
       form of ostracizing sincere Trinitarian believers?
       #Post#: 9949--------------------------------------------------
       Re: sinful churches (2)
   DIR By: Mike
       Date: January 7, 2015, 12:03 am
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       I suspect that what Meshak's calls 'True Christians' is limited
       to only one representative (herself).
       On another site I have challenged her to identify anyone other
       than herself who belongs to her band of so called 'True
       Christians'.
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       Re: sinful churches (2)
   DIR By: Amadeus
       Date: January 7, 2015, 9:24 am
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       Is it the erroneous doctrines taught that cause the loss of a
       soul, or is it the false direction of the heart? Why was King
       David the apple of His eye and a "man after God's own heart" in
       spite of his sins? What does Jesus say about this?
       #Post#: 9952--------------------------------------------------
       Re: sinful churches (2)
   DIR By: meshak
       Date: January 7, 2015, 12:05 pm
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       --- Quote from: George M. C. Jr. link ---
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       > Hello Meshak,
       >
       > Would you say that calling Trinitarian believers a cult is a
       form of ostracizing sincere Trinitarian believers?
       >
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       I did not say they are a cult.  I am claiming they are sinful.
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       Re: sinful churches (2)
   DIR By: meshak
       Date: January 7, 2015, 12:08 pm
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       --- Quote from: Mike link ---
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       > I suspect that what Meshak's calls 'True Christians' is
       limited to only one representative (herself).
       > On another site I have challenged her to identify anyone other
       than herself who belongs to her band of so called 'True
       Christians'.
       >
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       It  is not about me, it is about Jesus' teachings how it has
       been dishonored by mainstream churches with evidence of sinful
       fruit.
       Jesus says we know them by their fruit.
       #Post#: 9954--------------------------------------------------
       Re: sinful churches (2)
   DIR By: meshak
       Date: January 7, 2015, 12:10 pm
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       --- Quote from: Amadeus link ---
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       > Is it the erroneous doctrines taught that cause the loss of a
       soul, or is it the false direction of the heart? Why was King
       David the apple of His eye and a "man after God's own heart" in
       spite of his sins? What does Jesus say about this?
       >
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       Jesus does not say much about David.
       He surely does not call him godly or anything.
       Not everything in the OT does not apply to Jesus' teachings.
       Jesus upgraded OT teachings greatly.
       #Post#: 9955--------------------------------------------------
       Re: sinful churches (2)
   DIR By: Amadeus
       Date: January 7, 2015, 1:20 pm
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       > Meshak: Jesus does not say much about David.
       >
       > He surely does not call him godly or anything.
       >
       > Not everything in the OT does not apply to Jesus' teachings.
       Jesus upgraded OT teachings greatly.
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       Remember that God has never changed. What was true about Him
       then (OT times) is true about Him now.
       What did Jesus mean here?
       "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
       Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto
       him, The son of David.
       He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord,
       saying,
       The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I
       make thine enemies thy footstool?
       If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?" Matt 22:41-45
       #Post#: 9956--------------------------------------------------
       Re: sinful churches (2)
   DIR By: HOLLAND
       Date: January 7, 2015, 4:23 pm
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       Meshak,
       Arians persecuted many during those battles, especially in the
       third and fourth centuries AD.  The persecution went both ways.
       I recall poor Maximus Confessor, an old man over 80, he had a
       hand and foot cut off and was exiled far from his home and his
       loved ones in circumstances that led to his death.  The
       Trinitarian body count was high, but the Arians were, likewise,
       impressive killers as well.
       Peace be with you!
       #Post#: 9957--------------------------------------------------
       Re: sinful churches (2)
   DIR By: meshak
       Date: January 7, 2015, 5:23 pm
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       --- Quote from: Amadeus link ---
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       > Remember that God has never changed.
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       Remember God gave Jesus authority to be our Lord.  He also said
       to listen to Jesus.
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