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Re: Worldly Christians.
By: Arsenios Date: January 11, 2015, 5:28 pm
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[quote=Meshak]
You just don't seem to realize
there are some faithful and true servants are out there.
[/quote]
There are lots of them, truth be known...
And I regard you as one of them...
I would suggest there is something YOU don't seem to realize:
The Church in the flesh that Christ died to establish on
earth...
The Body of Christ, His Bride and Ekklesia, is alive upon the
earth...
Regardless of the sins of some of its members...
There will always be tares in the wheat, my Dear...
And some that we think are tares, are not tares...
And some we think are wheat are not wheat...
That is why Christ said: "Let them be, lest the wheat be pulled
up too..."
And more, my friend, I KNOW that the Christianity we see in the
West especially is NOT the Christianity that Christ died to
establish upon the earth... We agree on that... But what we
see is everyone reading their very own printed or on-line Bible,
and making up their own private version of what it means... And
in this, the Master of Divisions has triumphed over many...
For instance:
How do you read this passage from Matthew 28:19-20?
BYZ TEXT
πορευθεντε`
2;
Continue forth on your journey... (eg "Go forth...")
μαθητευσατ^
9;
παντα τα
εθνη
Disciple all the Nations
βαπτιζοντε`
2;
(5723) αυτους εις
το ονομα
baptizing them into the Name
του πατρος
και του υιου
και του
αγιου
πνευματος
of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
διδασκοντε`
2;
αυτους
τηρειν
Teaching them to be carefully attending
παντα
all
οσα
ενετειλαμη_
7;
υμιν
as much as I have commanded to you
The questions I have for you are these:
1 - Did His disciples obey Him in this command?
2 - Did they succeed or did they fail?
3 - What ARE ALL these things he commanded the Apostles to be
teaching?
4 - Why did He tell them to be carefully attending ALL...?
5 - Or did Christ FAIL in this command to His Apostles?
Arsenios
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Re: Worldly Christians.
By: meshak Date: January 11, 2015, 6:28 pm
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[quote author=Arsenios link=topic=940.msg10021#msg10021
date=1421018890]
I would suggest there is something YOU don't seem to realize:
The Church in the flesh that Christ died to establish on
earth...
The Body of Christ, His Bride and Ekklesia, is alive upon the
earth...
Regardless of the sins of some of its members...[/quote]
His church is made up by all His faithful ones. It is not by
organizations.
You are continually making simple Christianity complicated.
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Re: Worldly Christians.
By: guest6 Date: January 11, 2015, 8:47 pm
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[quote author=meshak link=topic=940.msg9807#msg9807
date=1419985956]
Above all, they spread hate spirit to the world by approving to
join the military and practice being the police of the world
even though Jesus says to love your enemy.
[/quote]
That is true. Jesus did say to love your enemy and also to pray
for them. Matt. 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies and
bless the one who curses you, and do what is beautiful to the
one who hates you, and pray over those who take you by force and
persecute you.
Surely if we are to love even our enemy and pray for them, then
I would think Jesus would also want us to love and pray for
those you refer to as not true and saved Christians.
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Re: Worldly Christians.
By: Arsenios Date: January 11, 2015, 9:40 pm
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[quote=Heartsong]
I would think Jesus would also want us to love and pray for
those you refer to as not true and saved Christians.
[/quote]
Exactly so...
And indeed, this is discipled in the Orthodox Christian Faith...
NO ONE is ours to judge...
And Christ Himself tells us to "JUDGE NOT..."
To JUDGE your brother or sister is to SCORN Christ...
Arsenios
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Re: Worldly Christians.
By: HOLLAND Date: January 25, 2015, 12:20 pm
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Inasmuch as we are embodied and have our place in this world, we
shall always, in a certain sense, be regarded as worldly, and so
we must be cautious, I think, to the temptation of looking down
upon others as being worldly Christians.
We share that same place of being in the world. Through the
Spirit, we have a certain detachment from it, but there is the
biology of existence that still fixes us here. The grasping
after riches, the sins of the flesh are with us all. Though we
may be consciously free from thoughts of these things, they
still exist in our subconscious, in the subvocal part of our
lives, always ready to emerge.
We must needs walking in the Spirit, our bodies in gentle
conformity to that Spirit in that detachment from the world God
has given us in Christ.
Peace be with you all!
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