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       #Post#: 9771--------------------------------------------------
       Another Missing Plane?
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: December 27, 2014, 11:39 pm
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       This time it was an Air Asia plane going from Indonesia to
       Singagpore.  From CNN
  HTML http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/27/world/asia/airasia-missing-plane/index.html:
       The plane took off with 155 passengers and crew on board, the
       news agency Reuters reported, citing Indonesian transport
       officials.
       The flight, an Airbus A320-200, was on its way from Surabaya in
       Indonesia to Singapore, according to the airline's website.
       The plane left Juanda International Airport at 5:27 a.m. Sunday
       (5:27 p.m. Saturday ET) and was due to arrive in Singapore at
       8:37 a.m. Sunday (7:37 p.m. ET), according to the website.
       Bad weather might have been a factor in the plane's
       disappearance, CNN meteorologist Derek Van Dam said.
       "We still had lines of very heavy thunderstorms" when the plane
       was flying, Van Dam said. "But keep in mind, turbulence doesn't
       necessarily bring down airplanes."
       Why do airlines fly planes over areas they know contain bad
       weather?  They have radar telling them where such bad spots are,
       don't they?   Are they that devoted to running on schedule, or
       is it a matter of not wanting to spend more money on the extra
       fuel to fly around bad weather areas?
       It is clear nothing has been done to correct  a basic problem.
       How does an airplane disappear by going out of communication
       with air traffic control?
       #Post#: 9776--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Another Missing Plane?
   DIR By: coldwar
       Date: December 28, 2014, 12:26 pm
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       The news here is saying the Pilot had requested a re-route and
       change in altitude (higher) so as to avoid the storm, and was
       granted this permission. This was their last contact with Air
       Traffic Control (I think). They're also saying in most any
       emergency situation, the Crew would have time - maybe mere
       seconds - to radio a distress call, but they did not. I have in
       my mind various scenarios, none of which make much sense -
       - Complete loss of engine power - unlikely on a two engine craft
       - even when out of fuel one engine will continue running for
       several minutes, as fuel is fed separately to both engines, each
       with it's own array of fuel tanks - enough time for a distress
       call
       - Complete loss of Auxillary Power Unit - they would still be
       able to maintain control via the battery backup power
       - Ice buildup - is seldom catastrophic, but makes the plane
       unstable, and all surfaces have de-icing systems
       - Sudden loss of cabin pressure - we all know that crew and
       passengers all have emergency oxygen face masks
       - sudden breakup of the fuselage or wings - Think about that 737
       over 30 years ago (Hawaiian Airlines) in which most of the upper
       cabin blew right off - the pilot safely landed that plane via
       the only manual control she had left. Several passengers lost
       their lives as they were sucked up out of their seats. In any
       event, there would still be mere seconds for a distress call
       - Direct missile hit to the cockpit - this is about all I can
       think of that might have prevented a distress call
       #Post#: 9782--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Another Missing Plane?
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: December 28, 2014, 8:37 pm
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       --- Quote from: coldwar link ---
       >
       > The news here is saying the Pilot had requested a re-route and
       change in altitude (higher) so as to avoid the storm, and was
       granted this permission. This was their last contact with Air
       Traffic Control (I think). They're also saying in most any
       emergency situation, the Crew would have time - maybe mere
       seconds - to radio a distress call, but they did not.
       --- End Quote ---
       The story according to the BBC
  HTML http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30620647
       is similar;  they
       mention the request but not the approval.
       The pilot had asked permission to climb to 38,000ft (11,000m) to
       avoid the clouds.
       Indonesian officials said the request could not be immediately
       approved due to traffic, but the plane disappeared from the
       radar screens before the pilots gave any further response.
       AirAsia boss Tony Fernandes said this was his "worst nightmare".
       Mr Fernandes flew to Surabaya and later said: "We are very
       devastated by what's happened, it's unbelievable.
       "Our concern right now is for the relatives and for the next of
       kin - there is nothing more important to us, for our crew's
       family, and for the passengers' families."
       They make it sound as if the plane disappeared before approval
       to alter course was given.  I wonder what is true?
       I also find it annoying that now, after the disaster, this
       "boss" says "nothing is more important to them".   Why wait for
       disasters to happen before becoming concerned?    It seems to me
       planes should be sent around bad weather even without the pilots
       requesting it.   If air traffic controllers are so busy that
       they can't respond fast to such requests, they need to  plan
       ahead better to avoid pilots' needing to make such requests.
       --- Quote ---
       > I have in my mind various scenarios, none of which make much
       sense -
       >
       > - Complete loss of engine power - unlikely on a two engine
       craft - even when out of fuel one engine will continue running
       for several minutes, as fuel is fed separately to both engines,
       each with it's own array of fuel tanks - enough time for a
       distress call
       > - Complete loss of Auxillary Power Unit - they would still be
       able to maintain control via the battery backup power
       > - Ice buildup - is seldom catastrophic, but makes the plane
       unstable, and all surfaces have de-icing systems
       > - Sudden loss of cabin pressure - we all know that crew and
       passengers all have emergency oxygen face masks
       > - sudden breakup of the fuselage or wings - Think about that
       737 over 30 years ago (Hawaiian Airlines) in which most of the
       upper cabin blew right off - the pilot safely landed that plane
       via the only manual control she had left. Several passengers
       lost their lives as they were sucked up out of their seats. In
       any event, there would still be mere seconds for a distress call
       > - Direct missile hit to the ****pit - this is about all I can
       think of that might have prevented a distress call
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       It's a mystery to me.
       #Post#: 9801--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Another Missing Plane?
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: December 30, 2014, 7:01 am
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       I'm still getting conflicting reports.  One story said the data
       showed the pilot climbing in altitude but at too a low speed.
       Another said he was told not to climb because of other planes in
       the air space above him.
       Then the Daily Mail
  HTML http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2890215/Mysterious-Chinese-blogger-sparks-online-frenzy-predicting-black-hand-going-bring-AirAsia-jet-THIRTEEN-days-one-vanished.html<br
       />has a wild story about a Chinese blogger who allegedly
       predicted
       13 days before:
       A mysterious Chinese blogger has provoked a storm of speculation
       online over claims he predicted the disappearance of an AirAsia
       flight thirteen days before one vanished.
       In a series of posts which have gone viral, the man appears to
       warn that the airline would be targeted by a shadowy group he
       calls the 'Black Hand' which he claims brought down Malaysian
       Airlines flights MH17 and MH370 earlier this year.
       An AirAsia flight went missing yesterday with 162 people on
       board after losing contact en route from Surabaya in Indonesia
       to Singapore in the third crisis for a Malaysian carrier this
       year.
       Since its disappearance, social media users have reacted with
       astonishment at the apparent prediction, while others claim the
       posts were probably just edited afterwards to make it look
       authentic.
       #Post#: 9802--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Another Missing Plane?
   DIR By: Runner
       Date: December 30, 2014, 11:29 am
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       :D Seems like , as the days go by, we can trust the bible and
       little else!   ;D
       #Post#: 9803--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Another Missing Plane?
   DIR By: guest6
       Date: December 30, 2014, 12:42 pm
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       Okay that's it, no more plane rides for me. I had one and that
       was enough. And besides, I'm afraid of heights.  :-\
       #Post#: 9804--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Another Missing Plane?
   DIR By: Mike
       Date: December 30, 2014, 1:12 pm
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       --- Quote from: Heartsong link ---
       >
       > Okay that's it, no more plane rides for me. I had one and that
       was enough. And besides, I'm afraid of heights.  :-\
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Don't forget the added worry of being infected by Ibola.
       #Post#: 9805--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Another Missing Plane?
   DIR By: guest6
       Date: December 30, 2014, 1:46 pm
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       --- Quote from: Mike link ---
       >
       > Don't forget the added worry of being infected by Ibola.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       Yes that too. I do very little if any traveling. However, I have
       been spending a lot of time in ER's and hospitals lately which
       can be just as worrisome and maybe even more so. One thing I
       have become very much aware of is how staph infections are so
       easily spread in hospitals. I don't want to get too far off
       topic....
       #Post#: 9815--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Another Missing Plane?
   DIR By: Kerry
       Date: December 30, 2014, 11:20 pm
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       --- Quote from: Mike link ---
       >
       > Don't forget the added worry of being infected by Ibola.
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       What surprises me is that terrorists haven't started using
       infectious diseases on airplanes by making someone contagious
       and then putting them on a plane to spread the disease.  Maybe
       they lack the scientific expertise?   Maybe they think
       explosions are more frightening than subtle things?
       Personally I think  invisible  threats are more frightening than
       things we can see.
       If you knock over a building in a city by exploding a bomb,
       everyone can see what happened.   You also know you can walk
       past that building without danger; but if you put radioactive
       material or lethal bacteria in the water of the city,  I think
       you'd frighten people more.    If you did that once, rumors
       you'd done it in other cities too would cause panic because
       people wouldn't know if you had or not.  They couldn't see if it
       was true or not.
       --- Quote from: Heartsong link ---
       >
       > Okay that's it, no more plane rides for me. I had one and that
       was enough. And besides, I'm afraid of heights.  :-\
       >
       --- End Quote ---
       You may find it hard to believe, but I've never been on an
       airplane.   At my age, I don't figure I'll start.
       I almost took a flight once from South Carolina to Pennsylvania;
       but when I called, I found they would transfer me so many times,
       I'd be spending hours at airports waiting for the connections.
       When I checked the busline, it was  faster -- and cost less too.
       
       #Post#: 9821--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Another Missing Plane?
   DIR By: Runner
       Date: December 31, 2014, 9:02 am
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       Flying used to be fun. I am guessing I have flown about 25
       times....maybe as many as 30. The worst is the small 4
       seater..now THAT is scary!! Twice was enough for me...I was
       never so glad to get back down to earth.
       After 9/11 flights got boring...all the waiting...all the
       security...all the rule of what one could carry on and what
       not...I've only flown about 1/2 times since 9/11....it's no fun
       now and takes twice as long because of security.
       Dave always says-  If they want to kill us, all they have to do
       is put something in the water supplies and whoosh....we are all
       gone!
       Can you imagine what it must be like for people who don't know
       God and have no hope outside this one life?   How blessed we
       are!!
       
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