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#Post#: 9771--------------------------------------------------
Another Missing Plane?
DIR By: Kerry
Date: December 27, 2014, 11:39 pm
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This time it was an Air Asia plane going from Indonesia to
Singagpore. From CNN
HTML http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/27/world/asia/airasia-missing-plane/index.html:
The plane took off with 155 passengers and crew on board, the
news agency Reuters reported, citing Indonesian transport
officials.
The flight, an Airbus A320-200, was on its way from Surabaya in
Indonesia to Singapore, according to the airline's website.
The plane left Juanda International Airport at 5:27 a.m. Sunday
(5:27 p.m. Saturday ET) and was due to arrive in Singapore at
8:37 a.m. Sunday (7:37 p.m. ET), according to the website.
Bad weather might have been a factor in the plane's
disappearance, CNN meteorologist Derek Van Dam said.
"We still had lines of very heavy thunderstorms" when the plane
was flying, Van Dam said. "But keep in mind, turbulence doesn't
necessarily bring down airplanes."
Why do airlines fly planes over areas they know contain bad
weather? They have radar telling them where such bad spots are,
don't they? Are they that devoted to running on schedule, or
is it a matter of not wanting to spend more money on the extra
fuel to fly around bad weather areas?
It is clear nothing has been done to correct a basic problem.
How does an airplane disappear by going out of communication
with air traffic control?
#Post#: 9776--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Missing Plane?
DIR By: coldwar
Date: December 28, 2014, 12:26 pm
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The news here is saying the Pilot had requested a re-route and
change in altitude (higher) so as to avoid the storm, and was
granted this permission. This was their last contact with Air
Traffic Control (I think). They're also saying in most any
emergency situation, the Crew would have time - maybe mere
seconds - to radio a distress call, but they did not. I have in
my mind various scenarios, none of which make much sense -
- Complete loss of engine power - unlikely on a two engine craft
- even when out of fuel one engine will continue running for
several minutes, as fuel is fed separately to both engines, each
with it's own array of fuel tanks - enough time for a distress
call
- Complete loss of Auxillary Power Unit - they would still be
able to maintain control via the battery backup power
- Ice buildup - is seldom catastrophic, but makes the plane
unstable, and all surfaces have de-icing systems
- Sudden loss of cabin pressure - we all know that crew and
passengers all have emergency oxygen face masks
- sudden breakup of the fuselage or wings - Think about that 737
over 30 years ago (Hawaiian Airlines) in which most of the upper
cabin blew right off - the pilot safely landed that plane via
the only manual control she had left. Several passengers lost
their lives as they were sucked up out of their seats. In any
event, there would still be mere seconds for a distress call
- Direct missile hit to the cockpit - this is about all I can
think of that might have prevented a distress call
#Post#: 9782--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Missing Plane?
DIR By: Kerry
Date: December 28, 2014, 8:37 pm
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--- Quote from: coldwar link ---
>
> The news here is saying the Pilot had requested a re-route and
change in altitude (higher) so as to avoid the storm, and was
granted this permission. This was their last contact with Air
Traffic Control (I think). They're also saying in most any
emergency situation, the Crew would have time - maybe mere
seconds - to radio a distress call, but they did not.
--- End Quote ---
The story according to the BBC
HTML http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30620647
is similar; they
mention the request but not the approval.
The pilot had asked permission to climb to 38,000ft (11,000m) to
avoid the clouds.
Indonesian officials said the request could not be immediately
approved due to traffic, but the plane disappeared from the
radar screens before the pilots gave any further response.
AirAsia boss Tony Fernandes said this was his "worst nightmare".
Mr Fernandes flew to Surabaya and later said: "We are very
devastated by what's happened, it's unbelievable.
"Our concern right now is for the relatives and for the next of
kin - there is nothing more important to us, for our crew's
family, and for the passengers' families."
They make it sound as if the plane disappeared before approval
to alter course was given. I wonder what is true?
I also find it annoying that now, after the disaster, this
"boss" says "nothing is more important to them". Why wait for
disasters to happen before becoming concerned? It seems to me
planes should be sent around bad weather even without the pilots
requesting it. If air traffic controllers are so busy that
they can't respond fast to such requests, they need to plan
ahead better to avoid pilots' needing to make such requests.
--- Quote ---
> I have in my mind various scenarios, none of which make much
sense -
>
> - Complete loss of engine power - unlikely on a two engine
craft - even when out of fuel one engine will continue running
for several minutes, as fuel is fed separately to both engines,
each with it's own array of fuel tanks - enough time for a
distress call
> - Complete loss of Auxillary Power Unit - they would still be
able to maintain control via the battery backup power
> - Ice buildup - is seldom catastrophic, but makes the plane
unstable, and all surfaces have de-icing systems
> - Sudden loss of cabin pressure - we all know that crew and
passengers all have emergency oxygen face masks
> - sudden breakup of the fuselage or wings - Think about that
737 over 30 years ago (Hawaiian Airlines) in which most of the
upper cabin blew right off - the pilot safely landed that plane
via the only manual control she had left. Several passengers
lost their lives as they were sucked up out of their seats. In
any event, there would still be mere seconds for a distress call
> - Direct missile hit to the ****pit - this is about all I can
think of that might have prevented a distress call
>
--- End Quote ---
It's a mystery to me.
#Post#: 9801--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Missing Plane?
DIR By: Kerry
Date: December 30, 2014, 7:01 am
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I'm still getting conflicting reports. One story said the data
showed the pilot climbing in altitude but at too a low speed.
Another said he was told not to climb because of other planes in
the air space above him.
Then the Daily Mail
HTML http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2890215/Mysterious-Chinese-blogger-sparks-online-frenzy-predicting-black-hand-going-bring-AirAsia-jet-THIRTEEN-days-one-vanished.html<br
/>has a wild story about a Chinese blogger who allegedly
predicted
13 days before:
A mysterious Chinese blogger has provoked a storm of speculation
online over claims he predicted the disappearance of an AirAsia
flight thirteen days before one vanished.
In a series of posts which have gone viral, the man appears to
warn that the airline would be targeted by a shadowy group he
calls the 'Black Hand' which he claims brought down Malaysian
Airlines flights MH17 and MH370 earlier this year.
An AirAsia flight went missing yesterday with 162 people on
board after losing contact en route from Surabaya in Indonesia
to Singapore in the third crisis for a Malaysian carrier this
year.
Since its disappearance, social media users have reacted with
astonishment at the apparent prediction, while others claim the
posts were probably just edited afterwards to make it look
authentic.
#Post#: 9802--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Missing Plane?
DIR By: Runner
Date: December 30, 2014, 11:29 am
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:D Seems like , as the days go by, we can trust the bible and
little else! ;D
#Post#: 9803--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Missing Plane?
DIR By: guest6
Date: December 30, 2014, 12:42 pm
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Okay that's it, no more plane rides for me. I had one and that
was enough. And besides, I'm afraid of heights. :-\
#Post#: 9804--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Missing Plane?
DIR By: Mike
Date: December 30, 2014, 1:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Heartsong link ---
>
> Okay that's it, no more plane rides for me. I had one and that
was enough. And besides, I'm afraid of heights. :-\
>
--- End Quote ---
Don't forget the added worry of being infected by Ibola.
#Post#: 9805--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Missing Plane?
DIR By: guest6
Date: December 30, 2014, 1:46 pm
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--- Quote from: Mike link ---
>
> Don't forget the added worry of being infected by Ibola.
>
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Yes that too. I do very little if any traveling. However, I have
been spending a lot of time in ER's and hospitals lately which
can be just as worrisome and maybe even more so. One thing I
have become very much aware of is how staph infections are so
easily spread in hospitals. I don't want to get too far off
topic....
#Post#: 9815--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Missing Plane?
DIR By: Kerry
Date: December 30, 2014, 11:20 pm
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--- Quote from: Mike link ---
>
> Don't forget the added worry of being infected by Ibola.
>
--- End Quote ---
What surprises me is that terrorists haven't started using
infectious diseases on airplanes by making someone contagious
and then putting them on a plane to spread the disease. Maybe
they lack the scientific expertise? Maybe they think
explosions are more frightening than subtle things?
Personally I think invisible threats are more frightening than
things we can see.
If you knock over a building in a city by exploding a bomb,
everyone can see what happened. You also know you can walk
past that building without danger; but if you put radioactive
material or lethal bacteria in the water of the city, I think
you'd frighten people more. If you did that once, rumors
you'd done it in other cities too would cause panic because
people wouldn't know if you had or not. They couldn't see if it
was true or not.
--- Quote from: Heartsong link ---
>
> Okay that's it, no more plane rides for me. I had one and that
was enough. And besides, I'm afraid of heights. :-\
>
--- End Quote ---
You may find it hard to believe, but I've never been on an
airplane. At my age, I don't figure I'll start.
I almost took a flight once from South Carolina to Pennsylvania;
but when I called, I found they would transfer me so many times,
I'd be spending hours at airports waiting for the connections.
When I checked the busline, it was faster -- and cost less too.
#Post#: 9821--------------------------------------------------
Re: Another Missing Plane?
DIR By: Runner
Date: December 31, 2014, 9:02 am
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Flying used to be fun. I am guessing I have flown about 25
times....maybe as many as 30. The worst is the small 4
seater..now THAT is scary!! Twice was enough for me...I was
never so glad to get back down to earth.
After 9/11 flights got boring...all the waiting...all the
security...all the rule of what one could carry on and what
not...I've only flown about 1/2 times since 9/11....it's no fun
now and takes twice as long because of security.
Dave always says- If they want to kill us, all they have to do
is put something in the water supplies and whoosh....we are all
gone!
Can you imagine what it must be like for people who don't know
God and have no hope outside this one life? How blessed we
are!!
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