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Songs about Women
By: Kerry Date: June 19, 2014, 5:57 am
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This is one of my favorite songs about women. I don't think we
are to take the lyrics seriously. While some women may be
desperate to find live, I think the real message is, "No, I'm
not really that desperate."
I always smile at the line, "If that isn't love, it will have to
do until the real thing comes along." Of course, it's not the
real thing!
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuc68oqDm48
She had another song. Oh yes, she was desperately in love with
the man -- but she can't even remember his name! ROFL!
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDSUKQZbHEk
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Re: Songs about Women
By: coldwar Date: June 19, 2014, 7:24 am
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I love Billie Holiday!
Fats Waller did a version in his usual comical style:
HTML http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7TdlKnx-DY
"well if that's not the real thing, Zip it. It'll have to do"
"well if that isn't love, what more could I do.. You want me to
rob a bank? Well I won't do it!"
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Re: Songs about Women
By: Kerry Date: June 19, 2014, 7:52 am
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He wouldn't rob a bank for his girl? That's not love! LOL
Did you know Billie Holiday had a role in getting the civil
rights movement going? Her singing the song "Strange Fruit"
hit the conscience of America. There is no condemnation in it.
I think if there had been condemnation, it wouldn't have
affected people so much.
She didn't write the lyrics; but she could put the feeling it.
She was on a tour in the South and they went past a black man
who had been lynched and left hanging. She seldom gets credit
for her part in civil rights; but I think music can change
people. I think she changed America.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9FZMHNhJ80
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Re: Songs about Women
By: coldwar Date: June 19, 2014, 8:33 am
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WoW!!! I'd never heard that one before. I almost cried just now!
Makes me wonder if what she saw in the south might have
escalated her pain and the heroin addiction that killed her so
young?
I'm a real devotee of early Black Gospel -- it's especially what
I sing at the Prison. I take notice how the Black Gospel,
especially the early stuff (Rev. Gary Davis, Mavis Staples...)
puts emphasis on Jesus as a corporate saviour (we're all in this
together as one), not a personal saviour, and I'm sure this
must've influenced Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. very greatly..
Later Black writers seem to have absorbed the white religion's
idea of "Here's what Jesus did for me" (like Andre Crouch's well
known song "Through It All").
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Re: Songs about Women
By: Kerry Date: June 19, 2014, 9:24 am
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[quote author=coldwar link=topic=791.msg7956#msg7956
date=1403184786]
WoW!!! I'd never heard that one before. I almost cried just now!
Makes me wonder if what she saw in the south might have
escalated her pain and the heroin addiction that killed her so
young?
I'm a real devotee of early Black Gospel -- it's especially what
I sing at the Prison. I take notice how the Black Gospel,
especially the early stuff (Rev. Gary Davis, Mavis Staples...)
puts emphasis on Jesus as a corporate saviour (we're all in this
together as one), not a personal saviour, and I'm sure this
must've influenced Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. very greatly..
Later Black writers seem to have absorbed the white religion's
idea of "Here's what Jesus did for me" (like Andre Crouch's well
known song "Through It All").
[/quote]It makes me almost cry too. It moved the country!
She had a horrible childhood and seemed to run into one abusive
man after another. I think one of her boyfriends introduced
her to drugs. I think he was also her dealer.
She would help anybody. Well, almost anybody. Not her father.
He had ditched her mother, refusing to marry her; and later he
even denied she was his child because he thought it would make
him look too old and bands wouldn't hire him. Later when he
needed a job, Billie wouldn't hire him. But everyone else.
When she died, she had a few cents on her. Her money went out
the door fast because she gave so much of it away to other
people.
Her mother was almost never home, working on trains I think. So
someone else looked after her; but one day her mother did come
home and found a neighbor man raping her. She was ten or
eleven. He went to prison and she got put into protective
custody. When she got out, she got a job -- at twelve --
running errands for a brothel.
This isn't an real old song, but it's one of my favorites.
You've probably heard it. Here's the guy who wrote it with his
sister. They're a pair! I love the way their voices weave in
and out, up and down.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihGHltBuBBI
And since you like Mavis Staples, here she is with Aretha
Franklin:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXpi0WhDYLU
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Re: Songs about Women
By: Kerry Date: June 20, 2014, 6:42 am
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There is a story about Josephine Baker in Las Vegas. She had
given a very successful show and then she told the night club
that there would not be a second show unless black people were
allowed in the audience. In desperation to please her, they
sent maids and porters home telling them to come back dressed up
to sit in the audience.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbbqDvHvl0Y
I think "Cat Woman" Eartha Kitt also yanked some chains when
they told her she had to use the back door to enter a night
club. She said if she was going to sing there, they'd have to
let her use the front door. So they told her she could use the
front door; and she went in and out, in and out, just so people
would see a black person using the front door.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS02GeKuWQ4
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Re: Songs about Women
By: coldwar Date: June 20, 2014, 2:02 pm
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^ Oh Happy Day!
The Edwin Hawkins version was played on Top-40 Radio in '68 I
think it was. It was immensely popular, and played on the radio
several times a day. That, along with "Spirit in the Sky"
(Norman Greenbaum) were two extremely popular Christian hits
that I recall. Imagine! Would songs directly about Jesus and the
Gospel be allowed air-play today? Back then, the Jesus Movement
was just as much a part of our counter-culture as was LSD and
burning Draft Cards. it might've been a backlash against John
Lennon who said The Beatles had become more popular than Jesus
(which in itself may not have been un-true), or maybe not.
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Re: Songs about Women
By: Kerry Date: June 20, 2014, 5:08 pm
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[quote author=coldwar link=topic=791.msg7977#msg7977
date=1403290963]
^ Oh Happy Day!
The Edwin Hawkins version was played on Top-40 Radio in '68 I
think it was. It was immensely popular, and played on the radio
several times a day. That, along with "Spirit in the Sky"
(Norman Greenbaum) were two extremely popular Christian hits
that I recall. Imagine! Would songs directly about Jesus and the
Gospel be allowed air-play today? Back then, the Jesus Movement
was just as much a part of our counter-culture as was LSD and
burning Draft Cards. it might've been a backlash against John
Lennon who said The Beatles had become more popular than Jesus
(which in itself may not have been un-true), or maybe not.
[/quote]You know what is strange. I don't remember the song
from hearing it in the late 60's. I only heard it later. I
went through phases on not hearing the popular music of the time
and then getting back into it. It was very popular then
though. I think Hawkins won a Grammy for it.
I doubt a Christian song would make it onto the charts today.
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Re: Songs about Women
By: Kerry Date: June 21, 2014, 11:36 am
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What is this song about? My country tis of thee, sweet land of
liberty? Is it about black and white? Male and female? Or
is it about human dignity?
Some of you may know the story. Marian Anderson never set out
to do anything but sing. That's what she did and what she
wanted to do. And she had a voice Toscanni said was the kind
you hear once in a century; but the DAR refused to allow her to
sing there. With the help of Eleanor Roosevelt, they arranged
to bring a piano to the Lincoln Memorial; and there she sang,
"My country tis of thee, sweet land of liberty." It was bitter
sweet though, wasn't it? She was not free to sing at the DAR.
But even in her later years, Anderson never saw herself as a
heroine. She just wanted to sing; and that simple stance moved
the nation.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAONYTMf2pk
And although a star at singing opera, her own preference was
singing the Spirituals of the black people.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QedPOq2gi7U
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Re: Songs about Women
By: Kerry Date: June 21, 2014, 12:06 pm
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Remember this controversial song? I still can't figure out
how we should take the lyrics.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Bc2xi-_rU
I interpret it not to mean that women should be doormats but
that men aren't perfect and need to be forgiven. The song was
already controversial enough but was made more controversial
when Hilary Clinton said on national television that she was not
like Tammy Wynette standing by her man. Wynette was upset and
thought she deserved an apology; and Clinton did apologize.
That was in 1992. The irony is that Hilary surely looked like a
"stand by your man" kind of gal when the Monica Lewinsky scandal
broke!
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