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#Post#: 7423--------------------------------------------------
The Mystery of 'Time'.
By: Mike Date: May 24, 2014, 5:09 pm
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“The angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth
lifted up his hand to heaven, and swore by him that lives for
ever and ever, who created heaven, the earth, the sea, and the
things that are therein, that there should be time no longer.”
I wonder just how little we appreciate the concept of
‘timelessness’.
Even when we move on two chapters in Revelation and read that
the woman who brought forth a man child, who was to rule all
nations with a rod of iron was “given two wings of a great
eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place,
where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time,
from the face of the serpent” we still interpret those ‘times’
to mean ‘time’ as we know it.
Also there are a few references to ‘now’ (such as Matthew 11:12)
where ‘now’ means a period such as from the beginning of John
the Baptist’s preparation up until Christ’s glorification.
And in John 5:25 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is
coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the
Son of God: and they that hear shall live” the term ‘now’ would
appear to refer the span of the dispensation of God’s New
Covenant rather than to an immediate moment in ‘time’.
And the same would surely apply to Mark 10:30 “But he shall
receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren,
and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with
persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life”.
What think ye all?
#Post#: 7425--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Mystery of 'Time'.
By: Kerry Date: May 24, 2014, 6:45 pm
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^ I don't believe "time" really exists. Only "now" really
exists.
Time, in my opinion, is the result of sin where we explain the
present by saying something that happened before explains how
things are now. The past doesn't exist except in our minds. We
say, "If I do this, then that must happen." We have faith in
this sort of thing. "If I sin, I will die and go to hell" --
the idea of an eternal hell carries this idea to its extreme.
Causes or actions "in the past" are believed to have the effect
of trapping souls eternally.
I say the past is fiction; but if we fail to repent, we are
still clinging to those sins which are fictional except in our
heads and hearts. If we could repent, God could forgive us. If
everyone in the world could forget, they would disappear
completely. The Bible says God will forget sins if we repent --
I say He doesn't remember them because they aren't real unless
we keep creating them in our heads being trapped by "time."
When we understand how sin traps us and isn't really real, we
are moving "out of time."
Science still hasn't come to terms with its theories about time.
They know their theories about "reality" are wrong; but they
just ignore it.
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Re: The Mystery of 'Time'.
By: Runner Date: May 24, 2014, 7:55 pm
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Quote Kerry ..I say He doesn't remember them because they aren't
real unless we keep creating them in our heads being trapped by
"time."
I know one thing 'time' makes a difference to me. If I read this
this morning...which I couldn't as it wasn't posted yet...I
probably could have grasped it better..reading it at 6.45pm make
w lot of difference...my mind is tired and dull...and it is
'work' for me to try and understand it.
I like the above...Because Father is a creative being, so are we
His children..I had never considered that we re-create sin that
is no longer real as they were dealt with, and our heads are
trapped in 'time.'
Yes " Now is" there is only now. It's obvious that God intended
man to be 'time conscious' as if He made man, and started the
little key (like we used to have in our mechanical toys,) that
is in our back and it is tickling off he seconds that is and
will be our life! When we think of it, time was a wonderful
creation.
The testing of time.
Yes I know I have not answered or given any good thoughts...I'll
sit and wait for all you, greater than I's, to drop your
pearls of wisdom here. 'Time' truly is very fascinating.
I think God smiles a lot.
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Re: The Mystery of 'Time'.
By: Kerry Date: May 24, 2014, 8:34 pm
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[quote author=Helen link=topic=737.msg7426#msg7426
date=1400979300]
Quote Kerry ..I say He doesn't remember them because they aren't
real unless we keep creating them in our heads being trapped by
"time."
I know one thing 'time' makes a difference to me. If I read this
this morning...which I couldn't as it wasn't posted yet...I
probably could have grasped it better..reading it at 6.45pm make
w lot of difference...my mind is tired and dull...and it is
'work' for me to try and understand it.
I like the above...Because Father is a creative being, so are we
His children..I had never considered that we re-create sin that
is no longer real as they were dealt with, and our heads are
trapped in 'time.'
Yes " Now is" there is only now. It's obvious that God intended
man to be 'time conscious' as if He made man, and started the
little key (like we used to have in our mechanical toys,) that
is in our back and it is tickling off he seconds that is and
will be our life! When we think of it, time was a wonderful
creation.
The testing of time.
Yes I know I have not answered or given any good thoughts...I'll
sit and wait for all you, greater than I's, to drop your
pearls of wisdom here. 'Time' truly is very fascinating.
I think God smiles a lot.
[/quote]If we mess up and have guilt but also refuse to admit we
made a mistake -- we are basically saying, "I know I'm wrong,
but I am going to persist in being wrong." I think that it's
us who create the kind of "time" that traps us. We are singing
our own tune, saying our own "word" (I am right, I am right)
instead of heeding the Divine Word which informs us we made a
mistake.
It's a strange situation. If we persist in saying, "I am right,"
we continue to be wrong. If we say, "Oops, that was wrong,"
then we become right. Strange, isn't it, in order to be right,
you got to be wrong.
"Be still," the prophet said. Being still is also escaping
time. The idea of "going from here to there" involves time.
Moving involves time. Did you know an electron can disappear
in one place and appear billions of miles away without any time?
We could do that too if realized that "here" is where you
are, and that "here" can be anywhere you choose it to be.
You can close your eyes and imagine you're in another place.
What you might not believe is that mentally a part of you
actually is that place. If you could lose all the attraction
to the physical body (persist body, don't die on me -- oh, how
we worry about the body going away -- maybe we would go out of
existence too if that body doesn't persist in time) you could
move completely to another place.
It's in the Bible how Jesus appeared and disappeared in closed
rooms. Do we really believe it's possible? I think it is after
we lose that worry about the body persisting in time. Notice
that Jesus didn't do that until after the crucifixion.
The attachments to the body aren't that sinful in and of
themselves. But if they trap us in time and hellish states,
then the body has made us its slave.
I don't see God the Father as creating time. The Word is spoken
by His children. Words involve vibrations. Jesus is "the
beginning and the end." I see Jesus as the master over time.
Time is not real, but if you believe in it, it can seem real. If
we get stuck in it and believe it's real, then we're in trouble.
In a way, "death and hell" are illusions of time to me. What
we believe often becomes true; and Jesus can break through those
illusions to free people from their illusions about time, thus
defeating "death and hell."
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Re: The Mystery of 'Time'.
By: Brad Date: May 24, 2014, 11:12 pm
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[quote author=Mike link=topic=737.msg7423#msg7423
date=1400969348]
“The angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth
lifted up his hand to heaven, and swore by him that lives for
ever and ever, who created heaven, the earth, the sea, and the
things that are therein, that there should be time no longer.”
I wonder just how little we appreciate the concept of
‘timelessness’.
Even when we move on two chapters in Revelation and read that
the woman who brought forth a man child, who was to rule all
nations with a rod of iron was “given two wings of a great
eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place,
where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time,
from the face of the serpent” we still interpret those ‘times’
to mean ‘time’ as we know it.
Also there are a few references to ‘now’ (such as Matthew 11:12)
where ‘now’ means a period such as from the beginning of John
the Baptist’s preparation up until Christ’s glorification.
And in John 5:25 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is
coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the
Son of God: and they that hear shall live” the term ‘now’ would
appear to refer the span of the dispensation of God’s New
Covenant rather than to an immediate moment in ‘time’.
And the same would surely apply to Mark 10:30 “But he shall
receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren,
and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with
persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life”.
What think ye all?
[/quote]
I think time is greatly misunderstood by mankind, and that I am
not wise enough to know its true nature. I think we are not
able to understand time being just linear creatures (for the
most part).
#Post#: 7454--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Mystery of 'Time'.
By: Runner Date: May 25, 2014, 12:11 pm
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So, is time part of The Fall?
Before the Fall were Adam and Eve outside of time do you think?
Or did time start at " The evening and morning were the first
day.."
I tend to think time started at the fall..." In the Day you eat
thereof.."
Not that it matters an iota! LOL
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Re: The Mystery of 'Time'.
By: Kerry Date: May 25, 2014, 3:29 pm
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^ I think Genesis has two places where you could say time
begins.
You could say time begins in the first verse, "in the
beginning." Time comes into being with physical objects.
You could also say the current "era of time" began when God
first speaks, saying, "Let there be light." Connecting time
with sound is interesting since sounds are vibrations; and
vibrations are connected with time and we use time to describe
them. Let me look this up!
HTML http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz
The hertz (symbol: Hz) is a unit to measure frequency. It tells
how often something happens. A frequency of 1 hertz means that
something happens once a second. The pitch of the note Middle C
(the C in the middle of the piano) is 262 Hz. This means there
are 262 vibrations every second when a Middle C is played.
Humans ability to hears sounds is somewhere between 20-20 000
Hz.
In another way, though, the lethal concept of time -- the sort
which traps us in it -- began at the fall, yes. When Eve
hearkened to the wrong voice and then Adam hearkened to hers,
something stopped vibrating correctly in step with the Music of
the Spheres, the Divine Voice. What is "death"? Death is
when something that had been moving stops moving. We could say
something that had been vibrating in time correctly stopped
vibrating -- as in "The music died away."
Note too that light is described in cycles per second. I think
there is a connection with "the Word" and the Divine Light.
If you are "in the Light," you are also "hearing the Word" and
vice versa.
Psalm 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto
my path.
Continuing life (for the correct type of time) is also connected
with light.
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
We know how something absorbs energy and gets warmer when it
absorbs light. Temperature is also a vibration. The warmer
something is, the faster it's vibrating. Energy is transmitted
via light. John tells us that we receive "power" when we
receive "the Word" or "the Light."
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
#Post#: 7460--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Mystery of 'Time'.
By: Runner Date: May 25, 2014, 5:59 pm
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Thanks Kerry, I wont pretend that I totally understand it
all...but I understood most of it I think. :)
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Re: The Mystery of 'Time'.
By: Mike Date: May 27, 2014, 1:36 am
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I'm running this topic on two forums and I think it is
worthwhile to transfer the following:-
[quote author=Patsy]
Helen, your "Déjà Vu" - which as you say, we have all
experienced - is supposedly explained away by psychiatrists and
those who study the brain as a sort of loop in the brain where
what we are seeing happening is somehow looped with the memory
before it is properly evaluated by the brain in the present and
it is but an illusion [/quote]
Hi Patsy, I agree with your well known thoughts on "the hour is
coming and now is" but most of all I have to endorse the 'loop'
theory, which expresses exactly what I experience in dreams
where the 'beginning' and the 'journey' often seem to have built
within me after the 'end experience'.
All this seems to happen in the reverse of what we understand of
'time' and during those brief waking moments described as being
characterised by REM (rapid eye movement).
#Post#: 8288--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Mystery of 'Time'.
By: twinc Date: July 1, 2014, 6:02 am
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does the present come out of the past or the future - twinc
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